PRO-WHITE ACTIVIST JARED TAYLOR [of American Renaissance] “ABSOLUTELY FLATTENED” MILITANT MESTIZO PROFESSOR JOSE ANGEL GUTIERREZ DURING
DEBATE AT UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS - ARLINGTON
According to Hal Turner Show reporter in attendance, Gutierrez was so humbled by facts and logic, he could barely even speak at the end of the session!
By: Hal Turner Published April 28, 2006 6:12 PM EDT
Arlington, TX — a formal Debate took place today in the Rosebud Theater on the campus of the University of Texas at Arlington. The participants were pro-white activist Jared Taylor of American Renaissance and Professor Jose Angel Gutierrez of UT- Arlington. The topic: “Hispanicization - Good or bad for America?”
Turner Radio Network Freelance Reporter “Texas Bob” attended the Debate and gave the following account via telephone:
100’s of people showed up to hear the Debate. All had to pass through a Metal detector and were subject to a pat-down for weapons.
Attendees were forbidden to bring cameras or recorders and were told that the University retains all rights to the event.
At the beginning of the Debate, both Jared Taylor and Professor Gutierrez had ten minutes to lay out his point of view. The moderator told the audience to please hold their applause until the end of the event.
Jared Taylor presented statistics:
Even though Hispanics are here for generations, they rarely get rich. They often do not learn the English language. They often don’t take care of their kids.
Taylor then posed the question “Do we want a group of people like that who will be a burden on our nation forever?”
When Gutierrez made his first set of points, the Mexicans in attendance broke into loud applause. The moderator reminded the audience to please hold their applause until the end and Gutierrez continued.
As Gutierrez continued, the Mexicans in the audience broke into loud applause again, and the Moderator had to tell them to hold their applause until the end, saying “Those are the rules.”
With that, Jared Taylor commented “It’s called the rule of law. It’s what we gringos go by.”
The Mexicans were clearly offended at being shamed for their bad behavior.
Professor Gutierrez called Whites “immigrants” but tried to take credit for all things the Spanish did - even though the Spanish are white!
According to Texas Bob, Gutierrez seemed to be in a dual reality, he wanted the glory of Spain for himself, but didn’t want to admit they were white.
Throughout the debate Gutierrez mostly resorted to attacking Taylor, reportedly calling him a racist, a hateful guy, someone who hates all non-whites, etc.
Taylor responded, I came here to debate you and you have given no reasons why Hispanics are good or bad. During the debate, Taylor had to remind Gutierrez of this at least five or six times.
Finally, after another onslaught of ad hominem attacks by Gutierrez, Taylor told him “You obviously have nothing to debate because you’re not in the debate.”
Prof. Gutierrez reportedly kept saying Taylor was racist. Gutierrez then took issue with Taylor saying that “a nation is a biological group of people.” Taylor came back and said he had no choice but to call it that, then went through the Latin and Greek origins of the word “Nation.”
Gutierrez appeared on the defensive all the time. At the end of debate he was so cowed and so slapped down, didn’t even want to talk. According to Texas Bob, Gutierrez gave Taylor a lot of his time because he didn’t want to talk.
At end of the Debate, they each got ten minutes each to wrap up points. Taylor went first, using quite a number of public quotes pervasively made by Professor Gutierrez.
Gutierrez was so shamed by his own public comments that he threatened to sue Taylor for using his public quotes, saying he would “sue for slander in CRIMINAL court!”
Taylor leaned forward into his microphone and said “Don’t you mean civil court?” Then asked “aren’t you an attorney?”
As most folks know, lawsuits for slander are handled in Civil Court and according to various sources, Gutierrez IS an Attorney at Law.
Texas Bob commented that Gutierrez was totally flattened by Jared Taylor. Point by point, fact by fact, Gutierrez was made to look like an idiot - so much so that he had to threaten a lawsuit over his own public remarks.
After the Debate, Texas Bob talked to some UT students and asked them what they thought. Surprisingly, several Black students spoke out freely. They told Texas Bob they believed Jared Taylor crushed Professor Gutierrez with facts and more importantly, they said they saw through Gutierrez.
They told Texas Bob they now completely understand the Mestizo/Mexican/Immigrant agenda, and stated emphatically “we want them OUT!”
More details as they become available. . . . . .
Stormfront thread on the abovementioned debate.
A report from the AR emailing list:
SHORT VERSION: Taylor won hands down w/dignity and grace; Gutierrez
lost and made a fool of himself.
LONG VERSION:
The scene: typical 600/800 seat auditorium on UT Arlington(near
Dallas) campus
The audience: about 300-400 people; less than half students, most
others were civilians(like me), administration/faculty, a few
reporters(Dallas Morning News, supposedly; and I saw a guy I know
from Fort Worth Star Telegram). Roughly a dozen or so people from
Storm Front; I met several, all nice, well-dressed, well-spoken(SF
began a thread on the debate even before the start and updated it
throughout, check it out). There were some older white couples there
from Irving and Dallas who learned of Jared through the Minutemen or
one of the immigration activist groups. Very solid citizens. Most
of the rest of the crowd(see below) nondescript.
Of the students, most were hispanic, probably followers/fans/or
taking a class from Gutierrez. A few ugly, shabbily dressed,
slatternly looking women of the type who infest campuses these days,
probably from the Feminist Studies Dept.
The College Republicans were very nice. Girls in dresses, feminine
and engaging. Boys more scruffy, but also polite. All I saw were
white. Their advisor was also a decent fellow. I have to say I’m
having warm thoughts towards the G.O.P. for the first time in years.
Security was tight; the campus police told the College Republicans
(the sponsors), that they were worried about GUTIERREZ’s saftey! We
were all frisked, wanded, and bag/purse checked before going into
the auditorium. 10 or 15 cops.
Jared Taylor: I didn’t realize how much charm, dignity and gravitas
this man has until I met him today. Call it charisma. This does
not come across nearly so much on video or audio tape as it does in
person.
Jose Gutierrez: short, longish gray hair, goatee, in a suit like
Taylor(which suprised me: no brown beret anymore). Very charming and
funny in a vicious, sort of way. Remember the Mexican bandit chief
who waylaid Humphrey Bogart near the end of TREASURE OF THE SIERRA
MADRE, “Badges? We ain’t got no BADGES. We DON’T NEED NO STINKIN’
BADGES!!” Gutierrez reminds me of a slightly less coarse version.
The debate. A moderator in the middle. Gutierrez left; Taylor right.
Topic: IS HISPANICIZATION GOOD OR BAD FOR THE USA?
Format: a 10 minute opening statement by each man, followed by a
couple of rebuttals, 4 minutes, then written questions from the
audience asked through the moderator(there were hundreds; mine
didn’t get picked 
).
Outcome: Taylor killed him. But Gutierrez didn’t even TRY to debate;
he was there to entertain and amuse his acolytes, who giggled and
laughed frequently during G’s remarks, whenever G got off what
passed for a bon mot. Taylor began w/stats and formal argument; he
debated the topic. Gutierrez pointed his finger(a LOT!), calling
Taylor names(his favorite: “racist in a suit”). Taylor reminded the
audience that a debater name-calls when he has no argument. JT gave
reason after reason why hispanicization is bad and pointed out at
various stages in the debate that Gutierrez had failed to offer even
ONE reason why hispanicization was GOOD.
Several times, Gutierrez made historical references, virtually all
were flat wrong or inaccurate. Towards the end of the debate, after
Gutierrez had called him a racist for the four hundreth time, Taylor
told the audience of Gutierrez’s infamous quote from the ’60’s where
he said gringos would have to be killed. Gutierrez didn’t react
immiediately, but a few minutes later, AS HIS CLOSING REMARK, he
threatened to sue Taylor in both criminal(how?) and civil court if
he ever used that quote again, promising to “take a lot of his
money” and “put him to work for a Mexican.” Gutierrez also referred
to having to deal with his “inner rage.”
BTW, earlier in the debate, Taylor had discussed MeCHA, the radical
reconquista group. Afterwards, in the lobby, I was standing by a
group of hispanic students. They were asking each other, “Have you
ever heard of MeCHA before?” NONE of them had. Remember, we’re
talking about 17-21 year olds here. These students didn’t look
radical, no uniforms, CHE shirts, anything like that. To people
like Gutierrez, they are raw material, foot soldiers.
All in all, I have to say both sides probably achieved their
objectives. Jared was magnificent, and quite frankly I was thrilled
to be in the same room with him. I really can’t say too much about
him.
But as I said, Gutierrez wasn’t there to debate; he was there to
point his finger and say, “Look at the evil white racist in a suit.”
That played well with his audience, especially when he made
reference to AR articles(by Rushton, I think)that cited differences
by race in brain size, genitalia, etc., then asked Taylor, “What do
you think about those articles, Mr. Tiny?”
I admit I laughed. But I used to laugh at Curly in the Three Stooges
(who was a bit more intellectual than Gutierrez).
But for the other folks in the audience, not least the College
Republicans and white college students(one of whom had a Confederate
flag T-shirt and was very well spoken), I imagine such childishness
wore thin after awhile.
Anyhoo, we all gave our heroes a big cheer and applause when it was
over, after about 70 or 80 minutes.
I believe that the event was recorded on video, and will be
available for download or purchase in a little while.
If I remember anything else cool about this, I’ll come back and post
it.
One more thing. I AIN’T into hero worship….but dubeaux sez:
JARED TAYLOR IS A GREAT AMERICAN!
dubeaux
Gutierrez, Taylor Square Off
Campus cops frisk attendees
By Patrick McGee
Star-Telegram
More here.
Sorry to spoil the party but this is story reveals the truth on the debate. Give it up KLanS/
Posted on Tue, May. 02, 2006
UTA club’s debate just a bigoted farce
By Bud Kennedy
Star-Telegram Staff Writer
ARLINGTON - Race, bigotry, segregation and whether America is a “white country” were topics Friday at a college Republican debate arguing the future of whites and Hispanics in Texas.
When two lecturers finished their race-baiting version of SmackDown, I was wondering: Since when are race and whiteness Republican issues?
Also, how does bringing a white segregationist to the University of Texas at Arlington help promote the College Republicans club?
I’m not surprised that two showboats like Virginia hate-literature vendor Jared Taylor and Arlington La Raza-official-turned-college-prof Jose Angel Gutierrez would jump at the chance to argue before college TV cameras.
I’m simply surprised that Republicans would sponsor it.
The platform of Texas Republicans reads: “Believing all men are created equal, let all be reminded that the Republican Party of Texas is the party of Lincoln that deplores all forms of preferences and discrimination based upon religion, race, color, national origin, gender, age, or physically disabling condition.”
Then why would UTA Republicans sponsor a forum fearing “Hispanicization” — not “illegal immigration” but “Hispanicization” — in a Texas where 7 million Hispanics live legally?
Diana Witherspoon, a marketing junior from Fort Worth, is the club president. She said she was approached by an Indiana man who suggested a debate.
“It’s important to have an open dialogue about how people really feel,” she said Friday before the debate, describing it as an “immigration” event.
But the UTA Republicans’ own announcements described Taylor, editor of a white-activist magazine, euphemistically as a “race relations expert.”
This wasn’t a border debate.
This was a race debate.
Taylor called Hispanics inferior, crime-prone, disease-ridden and disloyal.
Gutierrez defended Hispanics’ equality, saying that Americans of Hispanic descent have won more Medals of Honor per capita than any other demographic group, and that their needs have been neglected by the predominantly Anglo political hierarchy.
Witherspoon said Sunday that she thought the debate was “interesting” and that she agreed to sponsor it mainly because she disagrees with Gutierrez’s political views.
“It’s a travesty that Gutierrez is teaching at our school,” she said.
Gutierrez, a 1960s South Texas activist who co-founded the La Raza Unida Party and helped lead a youth movement for Latino political empowerment, is now a political science professor and a graying lion with a new audience for his speeches about how Anglos “stole” the Southwest from indigenous tribes of both the United States and Mexico.
His oft-quoted line calling for a fight against “gringo” dominance is from 1969. But he still gets a big reaction with lines like the one about how the shifting birth rate among legal Americans will “paint the White House brown.”
He called Taylor — a Yale philosophy grad — a “racist in a suit” and said that when Hispanics marry and raise families, “It’s America.”
Before the speech, Taylor said in an interview that “a Hispanic tsunami” should not be considered inevitable, even though Texas population figures show that border walls and immigration raids would make almost no difference in a state where about 90 percent of Hispanic schoolchildren are legal Texans and Americans.
“To the extent that cultural change can be delayed, the longer the better,” he said in a voice reminiscent of Thurston Howell III of Gilligan’s Island, minus cigarette holder and ascot.
“I think Texas will increasingly resemble Mexico in coming years,” he said. “And what happens if some future Texans decide to quit celebrating the Fourth of July?”
Gosh.
That wouldn’t be anything new. We already have Confederate heritage groups that don’t celebrate the Fourth of July or even say the Pledge of Allegiance.
Witherspoon said the idea for this bigoted farce of a debate came by e-mail from a Lafayette, Ind., man.
Brian Boothe, 28, sent the e-mail. In a phone interview, he said he writes to colleges and radio talk shows suggesting debates over race or religion to “bring out extremes.”
He sent enough e-mails to convince the UTA College Republicans to host the forum after successfully lining up an earlier debate between Gutierrez and author David Horowitz on radio’s Sean Hannity Show.
Boothe said he wanted “a forum where white people can discuss race” because he ultimately wants all races and cultural groups to disband and “all be Americans.”
Goodbye, St. Patrick’s Day and Oktoberfest.
If you missed this poisonous little pairing at UTA, it’s coming soon to a computer near you. Witherspoon said she has donated a copy of the debate video to Taylor to be posted on his Web site.
Or maybe projected on a white sheet.
Bud Kennedy’s column appears Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays. (817) 390-7538 bud @budkennedy.com