http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/egi

When you speak of the failure of racialist societies, what societies do you have in mind? Catholic Spain? The Third Reich? Jim Crow U.S.? Apartheid South Africa? The first two did quite well, until they were overwhelmed by superior military coalitions. Jim Crow U.S. was destroyed because of Jewish internal agitation and pressure and the Cold War. Apartheid South Africa was the victim of unrelenting international economic sanctions and massive demonization in the world media that crippled its economy. None of those entities would’ve collapsed left to their own devices.

Now, we know that mulit-ethnic polities are inherently unstable and plagued by ethnic strife. It always ends badly. Even such apparently peaceful places as Beligium and Canada will eventually disaggregate. And both almost did. Stay tuned.

To me, what’s most important is the preservation of certain VALUES that have arisen from certain cultures. If these values can be spread by assimilation and even–gasp!–inter-marriage so much the better.

Which brings me back to global capitalism. I don’t know enough about the “special role” Jews played in creating it, other than their position as usurers enforced by Christian kingdoms. I’m sure plenty of people could tell me about Armand Hammer and the like. But isn’t their something inherent about capitalism–its need for expansion–that causes mixing and assimilation (aforementioned “culture of capitalism”)? Does anyone actually believe that THIS was some Jewish capitalist “side-project” or something? And if they don’t think that, then where is any other criticism of capitalism here? And if you try to say National Socialism is one, that this had/has the potential to create some kind of racially separate but furiously interacting/trading world (remember, the need for profit doesn’t go away), than I…will just have to abandon this discussion for the sheer absurdity of it. UNLESS what people really want around here is autarky, little federations of self-sustaining villages with tight borders, just eating whatever grows there, no interest in the rest of the world, etc. In that case I’ll just say good luck but the movement of history does not seem to be going that way, in spite of what a few sociologists might say. Maybe there’s enough land for y’all somewhere, you certainly have the right to be left alone and it would probably be better for everyone if you were.

Marta Petru’s “AN INFAMOUS PAST: E.M. Cioran and the Rise of Fascism in Romania” has a forward by Norman Manea (a Jew). It’s published by Ivan R. Dee (a Jewish particularist publisher) so I suspect Ms. Petru is probably Jewish. Most histories of interbellic Romania available in English have been written by Jewish academics with rather sketchy political pasts. Nixon bestowed “most favored nation” trading status on Communiist Romania in the ’60s and this seems to have included trade in many academics and intellectuals through whose Judeocentric lens the West has been taught 20th century Romanian history.

The book I recommend is “RELIGION AND POLITICS: Bishop Valerian Trifa and His Times” by Gerald Bobango. It was published in 1981 by East European Monographs distributed by Columbia University Press. Back then it was a $45 college text book. But it can still be purchased today from The Romanian Orthodox Epicopate in America (ROEA) in Grass Lake, MI for a mere $12 (or ordered through an inter library loan system).

What’s informative about this book, besides it’s non Jewish, non ex-Communist perspective, is its insights into the campaign of organized American Jewry to make sure the brilliant young philosophers of the “Criterion Group” (of whom Cioran was a member) are forever linked in the public imagination to the horrors of the holocaust.

Is this a trick question? One cannot be ethnonationalist and cosmopolitan at the same time.

“aren’t there enough examples of the failure of racialist societies to negate whatever supposed advantages there are for a people to maintain racial purity”

All cultures go through a cycle of ascendence and decay. That fact justifies nihilism of any sort, however.

“So, given the stated terms for the lifespan of antisemitism, if somehow all Jews were convinced to go to Israel, with Israel tightly integrated into the world economy as it is today, would anti-Semitism have any more weight than any other everyday xenophobia? Would antisemites think there would be a good reason for attacking this Israel?”

I understand your point here and I agree that antisemitism wouldn’t evaporate overnight in such a situation. However, the history of antisemitism is as such that it came about wherever Jews settled with a host population. Antisemitism didn’t devlop from afar.

If Jews were to all go to Israel, I can not realistic see how antisemitism as a significant phenomena would remain an issue (excepting the regional disputes between Israel and its Muslim rivals) for terribly long.

“Doesn’t it seem absurd to obsess about “competition” from national minorities (especially in countries with long histories of migration and no clear ethnic majority)”

I don’t live in any of those countries, so I don’t understand your perspective. The racial melting pot is a relatively new phenomena for Europe and America.

“when the “rainbow coalition” of the global capitalist class (and if you think its controlled by Jews, the “order” you claim they are trying to “impose,” you really need to widen your sources!)”

That isn’t my argument. My argument largely rests with the role of Jews in the formation of such a class and the disporporionate role they play in it and the culture war they have tirelessly engaged in recent times.

I fully acknowledge the role of non-Jews in the NWO, I just reject the notion that Jews didn’t play a special role in its formation.

I don’t understand your reading of history. All multiracial empires have failed, the U.S. (the last such empire) is a dead man walking (see Samuel Huffington). The Keynan’s probable victory will only accelerate this inevitable development.

In a recent piece, Jerry Z. Muller gives a pretty good overview of the collapse of multi-ethnic societies.

You can be a cosmopolitan if you so wish, but don’t invent a parallel history.

Us and Them
The Enduring Power of Ethnic Nationalism
Jerry Z. Muller

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20080301faessay87203/jerry-z-muller/us-and-them.html

- Why is it deemed impossible to maintain one’s ethnic/national identity and be cosmopolitan at the same time? If national “strength” or success in Spenglerian terms were at issue, aren’t there enough examples of the failure of racialist societies to negate whatever supposed advantages there are for a people to maintain racial purity?

- Doesn’t the “hypocrisy” of Jews that Darren speaks of come from their position of national minority in all states but Israel? So, given the stated terms for the lifespan of antisemitism, if somehow all Jews were convinced to go to Israel, with Israel tightly integrated into the world economy as it is today, would anti-Semitism have any more weight than any other everyday xenophobia? Would antisemites think there would be a good reason for attacking this Israel?

- Doesn’t it seem absurd to obsess about “competition” from national minorities (especially in countries with long histories of migration and no clear ethnic majority) when the “rainbow coalition” of the global capitalist class (and if you think its controlled by Jews, the “order” you claim they are trying to “impose,” you really need to widen your sources!) continues to exploit everyone - and all the more easily when we hate each other!
[and p.s. I'm not a Communist - you don't have to be one to have a critique of capitalism]

for rooted cosmopolitanism,

GJ

The issue here is the Jewish hypocrisy towards nationalism. That is, they are supporters of Israel being a racially Jewish state with a tough line towards foreigners, arabs, and etc, but absolutely oppose any kind ethnic nationalism for European-derived folk.

I would not say Zionism as a nation has succeeded, for Jews who have not already immigrated to Israel have a limited interest in Israel at best (they care about Israel, but they don’t want to move there and become a part of it), and the current way of things has Israel giving up large sections of its land, negotiating with Palestineans for a separate state, and the very present danger of Israel losing its Jewish majority. The number of sincere Jewish nationalists seems very limited, IMO.

Antisemitism will exist as long as Jews continue to live as a separate and distinct people in diaspora and compete with a majority population for power and resources.

I agree with you that it is not only Jews who behave as “rootless cosmopolitans” and its not practical to single out only Jews, however, the extreme movement towards rootless cosmopolitanism has strong and direct ties to the tireless efforts of Jewish intellectuals and activists seeking to impose such an order on the world. Such attitudes among Jews still exist today, despite the existence of Israel.

http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/books-Preface.html

Yes, absolutely — antisemitism is a healthy and natural response by the native ethnic majority to reclaim power and influence from a hostile and rootless minority. Sounds more like ‘democracy’ rather than ‘fascism’ to me.

In addiction to being healthy, mass ‘antisemitism’ is a form of idealism too, a sort of national immune system response against an invasive and potentially deadly pathogen once it has reached a critical level.

Throughout the past few centuries Jewry has often been thought of as a sort of contagious disease or pathogen; and the imagery was cleverly revived in the 20th Century —> http://www.white-history.com/hwr64iv_files/nazi_propaganda.jpg. It’s a good analogy.