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	<title>Comments on: James Watson&#8217;s Ordeal - MacDonald</title>
	<link>http://www.thecivicplatform.com/2007/10/27/james-watsons-ordeal-macdonald/</link>
	<description>The Civic Platform has been launched to discuss and debate issues related to the West viewed as a cultural compound of Greco-Roman, Christian, and Germanic past. We firmly believe that race informs culture and is a necessary precondition for cultural identity and integrity. Hence, this political vehicle is dedicated to the preservation of the ethnic genetic interests (EGI) of people of European ancestry. Furthermore, since the West faces a demographic crisis of unprecedented proportions (for example, in 1950 Whites represented 30 percent of the world's population. This number will plummet to 8 percent by 2050), we hold that the current trends threatening the racial, historical, and cultural identities of people of European ancestry must be stopped and reversed, if the West is to survive and endure as a distinct racial, historical, and cultural entity.</description>
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		<title>By: db</title>
		<link>http://www.thecivicplatform.com/2007/10/27/james-watsons-ordeal-macdonald/#comment-28276</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 18:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think liberals might be hypocritical and unable to defend their position intellectually, but that does not mean the people who hold the contrary position are any better.

Saying evolution works and created these brilliant and great Europeans or even Jews must be nauseating. In the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, they said they would promote Science and materialism over religion. It seems to me they have succeeded and anyone who thinks that Science can determine the unvarnished truth without any assumptions or beliefs is deluded. Science has a philosophy, that philosophy has an ideology, the ideology and philosophy shapes Science and its findings.

I bet there are black people who are far better at looking after their cultures and people than white people...yet all this detail is lost in 'collectivist' accounts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think liberals might be hypocritical and unable to defend their position intellectually, but that does not mean the people who hold the contrary position are any better.</p>
<p>Saying evolution works and created these brilliant and great Europeans or even Jews must be nauseating. In the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, they said they would promote Science and materialism over religion. It seems to me they have succeeded and anyone who thinks that Science can determine the unvarnished truth without any assumptions or beliefs is deluded. Science has a philosophy, that philosophy has an ideology, the ideology and philosophy shapes Science and its findings.</p>
<p>I bet there are black people who are far better at looking after their cultures and people than white people&#8230;yet all this detail is lost in &#8216;collectivist&#8217; accounts.</p>
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		<title>By: Walter Lewkowski</title>
		<link>http://www.thecivicplatform.com/2007/10/27/james-watsons-ordeal-macdonald/#comment-27024</link>
		<dc:creator>Walter Lewkowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 03:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thecivicplatform.com/2007/10/27/james-watsons-ordeal-macdonald/#comment-27024</guid>
		<description>Dear Mr. Braun, 

Thank you for your polite answer.  However, I was not “pretending to know what happened at the beginning”, I did not know and I wanted to know.  If a person’s writings are obnoxious this is a valid reason for not giving him a forum.  

I came to your site by way of interest in Kevin MacDonald and had no way of knowing the governing rules for posting.  I can appreciate your strong personal feeling about your blog and would not presume to tell you how to be successful.   But a really bad post would be scrolled down in a hurry, and posting contrary opinions, even poorly expressed have a way of spurring on the faithful to post insightful critiques.

And after reading Fred Scrooby remarks I am not any less curious.  I have resigned myself to never knowing what Mon wrote, but this is less an annoyance than not knowing who kill Kennedy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr. Braun, </p>
<p>Thank you for your polite answer.  However, I was not “pretending to know what happened at the beginning”, I did not know and I wanted to know.  If a person’s writings are obnoxious this is a valid reason for not giving him a forum.  </p>
<p>I came to your site by way of interest in Kevin MacDonald and had no way of knowing the governing rules for posting.  I can appreciate your strong personal feeling about your blog and would not presume to tell you how to be successful.   But a really bad post would be scrolled down in a hurry, and posting contrary opinions, even poorly expressed have a way of spurring on the faithful to post insightful critiques.</p>
<p>And after reading Fred Scrooby remarks I am not any less curious.  I have resigned myself to never knowing what Mon wrote, but this is less an annoyance than not knowing who kill Kennedy.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Scrooby</title>
		<link>http://www.thecivicplatform.com/2007/10/27/james-watsons-ordeal-macdonald/#comment-27022</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Scrooby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 01:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thecivicplatform.com/2007/10/27/james-watsons-ordeal-macdonald/#comment-27022</guid>
		<description>There's a male version of Mom polluting the threads over at Prozium's, by the way -- a first-rate asshole signing as "The Monitor."  Guy's been at it over there for what must be several weeks now.  No one, no force on earth, can make this asshole shut the f*** up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a male version of Mom polluting the threads over at Prozium&#8217;s, by the way &#8212; a first-rate asshole signing as &#8220;The Monitor.&#8221;  Guy&#8217;s been at it over there for what must be several weeks now.  No one, no force on earth, can make this asshole shut the f*** up.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Scrooby</title>
		<link>http://www.thecivicplatform.com/2007/10/27/james-watsons-ordeal-macdonald/#comment-27021</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Scrooby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 01:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thecivicplatform.com/2007/10/27/james-watsons-ordeal-macdonald/#comment-27021</guid>
		<description>Walter, if you had seen Mom's comments you would have begged the site owner to delete them, trust me.  I guarantee it.  That stuff was very simply sickening, nauseating.  Made you vomit.  You talk about "foul language"?  Foul language is refreshing compared to Mom.  I'd rather have the foul language.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walter, if you had seen Mom&#8217;s comments you would have begged the site owner to delete them, trust me.  I guarantee it.  That stuff was very simply sickening, nauseating.  Made you vomit.  You talk about &#8220;foul language&#8221;?  Foul language is refreshing compared to Mom.  I&#8217;d rather have the foul language.</p>
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		<title>By: Friedrich Braun</title>
		<link>http://www.thecivicplatform.com/2007/10/27/james-watsons-ordeal-macdonald/#comment-27019</link>
		<dc:creator>Friedrich Braun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 23:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thecivicplatform.com/2007/10/27/james-watsons-ordeal-macdonald/#comment-27019</guid>
		<description>W.L., you're starting to watch a movie half way through while pretending to know what happened at the beginning. Mom is a compulsive spammer whose opinions have been addressed and refuted countless times, to no avail. She would show up with the exact same nonsensical material over and over. I didn't start this blog with the idea of wasting my time on peecee liberals like Mom. As to your advice, thanks. Start your own blog and do as you feel. My blog is driven by a certain worldview and is not an equal opportunity forum. It is not a free speech area where all are welcome to contribute. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>W.L., you&#8217;re starting to watch a movie half way through while pretending to know what happened at the beginning. Mom is a compulsive spammer whose opinions have been addressed and refuted countless times, to no avail. She would show up with the exact same nonsensical material over and over. I didn&#8217;t start this blog with the idea of wasting my time on peecee liberals like Mom. As to your advice, thanks. Start your own blog and do as you feel. My blog is driven by a certain worldview and is not an equal opportunity forum. It is not a free speech area where all are welcome to contribute.</p>
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		<title>By: Walter Lewkowsji</title>
		<link>http://www.thecivicplatform.com/2007/10/27/james-watsons-ordeal-macdonald/#comment-26989</link>
		<dc:creator>Walter Lewkowsji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 04:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thecivicplatform.com/2007/10/27/james-watsons-ordeal-macdonald/#comment-26989</guid>
		<description>I'm reading this on 4-08-08.  I wonder what Mom wrote.  I'm disappointed you deleted the post.  I thought the deletion of contrary opinions was a practice strictly limited to the left.  I’ve had my posts deleted from left and PC sites, and was sure it was taken down because it was thought provoking and irritated the closed minded left.

I think an article should only be taken off for using traditional foul language, and this does not include the N-word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m reading this on 4-08-08.  I wonder what Mom wrote.  I&#8217;m disappointed you deleted the post.  I thought the deletion of contrary opinions was a practice strictly limited to the left.  I’ve had my posts deleted from left and PC sites, and was sure it was taken down because it was thought provoking and irritated the closed minded left.</p>
<p>I think an article should only be taken off for using traditional foul language, and this does not include the N-word.</p>
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		<title>By: Friedrich Braun</title>
		<link>http://www.thecivicplatform.com/2007/10/27/james-watsons-ordeal-macdonald/#comment-26035</link>
		<dc:creator>Friedrich Braun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 04:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thecivicplatform.com/2007/10/27/james-watsons-ordeal-macdonald/#comment-26035</guid>
		<description>"Natural selection, seeking no grants and not having to commune with the far-left academia, has no politics. When it comes to science, politics is the elephant in the room."

A very accurate observation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Natural selection, seeking no grants and not having to commune with the far-left academia, has no politics. When it comes to science, politics is the elephant in the room.&#8221;</p>
<p>A very accurate observation.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Scrooby</title>
		<link>http://www.thecivicplatform.com/2007/10/27/james-watsons-ordeal-macdonald/#comment-26032</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Scrooby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 23:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thecivicplatform.com/2007/10/27/james-watsons-ordeal-macdonald/#comment-26032</guid>
		<description>Excellent comment above by Frankb.  You've got all the basics down, Frank, and you're in an impregnable position.  No one ... &lt;i&gt;no one&lt;/i&gt; ... can overcome you in an argument.  You're there, you've arrived.  You already surpass Fjordman, Conservative Swede, and more than half the writers at BrusselsJournal.com.  I'm impressed!  Congratulations!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent comment above by Frankb.  You&#8217;ve got all the basics down, Frank, and you&#8217;re in an impregnable position.  No one &#8230; <i>no one</i> &#8230; can overcome you in an argument.  You&#8217;re there, you&#8217;ve arrived.  You already surpass Fjordman, Conservative Swede, and more than half the writers at BrusselsJournal.com.  I&#8217;m impressed!  Congratulations!</p>
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		<title>By: Frankb</title>
		<link>http://www.thecivicplatform.com/2007/10/27/james-watsons-ordeal-macdonald/#comment-26024</link>
		<dc:creator>Frankb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thecivicplatform.com/2007/10/27/james-watsons-ordeal-macdonald/#comment-26024</guid>
		<description>I am no scientist, but Watson's observations of race differences in intelligence really require little more than open eyes and a philosphy that science should trump politics.

Absent liberal politics, debating the more than obvious differences in intelligence among different ethnicities would make little more sense than debating whether or not Blacks really had curlier hair or darker skin than Whites.

If clearly observable physical differences exist between the races, why should it be an inviolate principle that differences below the skin cannot possibly exist?

Given these clearly observable and differences that exist in height, skin color, facial features, hair texture, eye color and susceptibility to certain deseases, wouldn't it be most unlikely that intelligence alone has evolved exactly indentical in every race?  

Certainly it is conceivable that natural selection would select for intelligence more in some environments than others. 

Perhaps there was less evolutionary pressure to evolve greater intelligence in Africa than in Asia, for example.  Perhaps Africans were as smart as they needed to be given the challenge of their environment.  

Natural selection, seeking no grants and not having to commune with the far-left academia, has no politics. When it comes to science, politics is the elephant in the room.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am no scientist, but Watson&#8217;s observations of race differences in intelligence really require little more than open eyes and a philosphy that science should trump politics.</p>
<p>Absent liberal politics, debating the more than obvious differences in intelligence among different ethnicities would make little more sense than debating whether or not Blacks really had curlier hair or darker skin than Whites.</p>
<p>If clearly observable physical differences exist between the races, why should it be an inviolate principle that differences below the skin cannot possibly exist?</p>
<p>Given these clearly observable and differences that exist in height, skin color, facial features, hair texture, eye color and susceptibility to certain deseases, wouldn&#8217;t it be most unlikely that intelligence alone has evolved exactly indentical in every race?  </p>
<p>Certainly it is conceivable that natural selection would select for intelligence more in some environments than others. </p>
<p>Perhaps there was less evolutionary pressure to evolve greater intelligence in Africa than in Asia, for example.  Perhaps Africans were as smart as they needed to be given the challenge of their environment.  </p>
<p>Natural selection, seeking no grants and not having to commune with the far-left academia, has no politics. When it comes to science, politics is the elephant in the room.</p>
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		<title>By: Friedrich Braun</title>
		<link>http://www.thecivicplatform.com/2007/10/27/james-watsons-ordeal-macdonald/#comment-20479</link>
		<dc:creator>Friedrich Braun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 04:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thecivicplatform.com/2007/10/27/james-watsons-ordeal-macdonald/#comment-20479</guid>
		<description>People like Mom cannot handle the truth. It's like debating evolution with a religious fanatic. No matter the types of evidence you present, you'll never convince her. I can't be bothered with such people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People like Mom cannot handle the truth. It&#8217;s like debating evolution with a religious fanatic. No matter the types of evidence you present, you&#8217;ll never convince her. I can&#8217;t be bothered with such people.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Scrooby</title>
		<link>http://www.thecivicplatform.com/2007/10/27/james-watsons-ordeal-macdonald/#comment-20478</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Scrooby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 03:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thecivicplatform.com/2007/10/27/james-watsons-ordeal-macdonald/#comment-20478</guid>
		<description>The decision to delete "Mom's" comment is warmly applauded.  Her ignorant, smug denials of basic knowledge in that post were a bit hard to stomach, and I considered posting a comment myself, calling for its deletion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The decision to delete &#8220;Mom&#8217;s&#8221; comment is warmly applauded.  Her ignorant, smug denials of basic knowledge in that post were a bit hard to stomach, and I considered posting a comment myself, calling for its deletion.</p>
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		<title>By: Friedrich Braun</title>
		<link>http://www.thecivicplatform.com/2007/10/27/james-watsons-ordeal-macdonald/#comment-20475</link>
		<dc:creator>Friedrich Braun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 03:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thecivicplatform.com/2007/10/27/james-watsons-ordeal-macdonald/#comment-20475</guid>
		<description>Mom, I'm not going to waste my time debating whether the earth is flat on my blog. You're wholly ignorant of even the basic science behind racial differences in both intelligence and temperament. Have you read any of the following monographs?:

Richard Lynn: Race Differences in Intelligence: An Evolutionary Analysis

Frank Salter: On Genetic Interests: Family, Ethny, and Humanity in an Age of Mass Migration 

J.P.Rushton: Race, Evolution, and Behavior: A Life History Perspective (3rd Edition) 

Arthur Jensen: The g Factor: The Science of Mental Ability (Human Evolution, Behavior, and Intelligence)

Michael Levin: Why Race Matters

Charles Murray and Richard Herrnstein: Bell Curve : Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life
http://www.thecivicplatform.com/2006/05/17/my-reading-suggestions-for-all-racialists-and-white-nationalists/

No, you have not, of course.

Have you at least read?:
Rushton, J. P., &#038; Jensen, A. R. (2005). Thirty years of research on race differences in cognitive ability. Psychology, Public Policy, and Law, 11, 235-294.
http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/PPPL1.pdf

No, you have not, of course.

Come back when you have familiarized yourself with the scientific evidence contained in the above works. Until then, good bye.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mom, I&#8217;m not going to waste my time debating whether the earth is flat on my blog. You&#8217;re wholly ignorant of even the basic science behind racial differences in both intelligence and temperament. Have you read any of the following monographs?:</p>
<p>Richard Lynn: Race Differences in Intelligence: An Evolutionary Analysis</p>
<p>Frank Salter: On Genetic Interests: Family, Ethny, and Humanity in an Age of Mass Migration </p>
<p>J.P.Rushton: Race, Evolution, and Behavior: A Life History Perspective (3rd Edition) </p>
<p>Arthur Jensen: The g Factor: The Science of Mental Ability (Human Evolution, Behavior, and Intelligence)</p>
<p>Michael Levin: Why Race Matters</p>
<p>Charles Murray and Richard Herrnstein: Bell Curve : Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life<br />
<a href="http://www.thecivicplatform.com/2006/05/17/my-reading-suggestions-for-all-racialists-and-white-nationalists/" rel="nofollow">http://www.thecivicplatform.com/2006/05/17/my-reading-suggestions-for-all-racialists-and-white-nationalists/</a></p>
<p>No, you have not, of course.</p>
<p>Have you at least read?:<br />
Rushton, J. P., &#038; Jensen, A. R. (2005). Thirty years of research on race differences in cognitive ability. Psychology, Public Policy, and Law, 11, 235-294.<br />
<a href="http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/PPPL1.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/PPPL1.pdf</a></p>
<p>No, you have not, of course.</p>
<p>Come back when you have familiarized yourself with the scientific evidence contained in the above works. Until then, good bye.</p>
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