German National Socialists were German nationalists, obviously. What’s your definition of “nationalism”, Barnes?

“National Socialism was neither nationalist nor socialist.”

German national socialists were both nationalists and völkisch, non-Marxist socialists.

“National Socialism was Pan-Aryan Germanism - its aim was to create a pan-european empire based on racial purity where nation states, borders and cultures were replaced by a single Germannic culture and state whose citizens were defined by blood not by their national origin.”

Barnes is spouting conformist history that he undoubtedly gleaned from biased conformist historians who’ve been lying about National Socialist Germany and W.W. II for over 60 years now.

During W.W. II German National Socialists wanted to create a loose Germanic confederation that would’ve encompassed Europe’s Germanic nations. There was never any intention to encompass non-Germanic nations in such a scheme. And of course, this is a far cry from a culturally levelling project. After all, it was Hitler who said that “National Socialism is not for export.”

“This why the Nazis killed as many nationalists as they could in the countries they invaded, just as the communists did in the nations they invaded as both regarded nazis and reds regarded nationalists as the main enemies of their models for empire.”

Again, Barnes is spouting anti-N.S. nonsense. German National Socialists cooperated with numerous European nationalists. Further, German National Socialist supported various nationalists, such as the Slovaks or the Croats. Additonally, they closely worked with nationalists from Germanic countries, such as the Dutch National Soclialists ( http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v09/v09p427_Rost.html ).

“All Empires are a priori anti-nationalist as was the Third Empire (Reich) and the Soviet Union (Empire). One cannot have an empire without it being trans-national. Empire neccsitates the destruction of nation states.”

In many instances, German National Socialists fostered the birth of new European nations. Without German help there would’ve been no Slovakia.

“National socialists are also not nationalists and as such they should also be excised from nationalist ideologies and movements.”

Who is Barnes to decide who is and who isn’t a true nationalist?

Good bye, Barnes.

“1) The idea that nationalism in all its forms depends for its electoral, cultural and social progress on Holocaust revisionists winning their battle is an example of the Nationalist version of Marxist False Consciousness, it is the same sort of false logic that led marxists to declare Marxism a science but all other ideologies as false. It is an assertion with no evidence or proof to sustain it.”

White racial consciousness, the shared awareness of whites that their racial identity and heritage are real and important and worth preserving, is by far the most taboo of all beliefs about race, a taboo that is not enforced consistently or at all against the consciousness of other races. A black historian Shelby Steele has acknowledged in the Wall Street Journal (November 13, 2003), “Racial identity is simply forbidden to whites in America and across the entire Western world. Black children are hammered with the idea of racial identity and pride, yet racial pride in whites constitutes a grave evil. Say ‘I’m white and proud’ and your are a Nazi.’ Steele was certainly not pointing to the double standard in order to promote or legitimize white consciousness. Indeed, he made use of the widely shared (by non-whites as well as whites) demonic view of whites to reject and deny any white claim to their own racial identity:

No group in recent history has more aggressively seized power in the name of its racial superiority that Western whites. This race illustrated for all time – through colonialism, slavery, white racism, Nazism – the extraordinary human evil that follows when great power is joined to an atavistic sense of superiority and destiny. This is why today’s whites, the world over, cannot openly have a racial identity.

Whenever an anti-white individual utters such sweeping generalizations made to weaken white racial consciousness and solidarity he should be reminded of the long and brutal history of slavery, conquest, and repression by non-whites in Africa and Asia that persists to this day. Furthermore, and pace Barnes, since all expressions of white identity or racial consciousness are automatically smeared as “Nazism”, and since the Nazis are associated in people’s minds with the Holocaust, it stands to reason that it’s imperative for Whites to support all Revisionist efforts.

“2) The ball and chain marked Hitler around nationalists ankles has been placed by there by the revisionists and cultists that have sought to contaminate nationalism with revisionism.
Nationalism is simply about three core principles ;

1)Defending the indigenous people of Europe
2) Defending the indigenous cultures of Europe
3) Defending the natural environment of Europe. Revisionism has NOTHING to do with nationalism, as in no way does it relate to any of the 3 core principes of nationalism.”

This is false. Even loudly philosemitic and pro-Zionist, ostentatiously anti-Nazi and anti-Revisionist, nationalists (such as the B.N.P., Vlaams Belang, Denmark’s Party of Freedom, etc.) get repeatedly painted as Nazis or crypto-Nazis in the media and by hostile foreigners and Jews. Getting smeared with the Nazi brush has nothing to do with embracing the Revisionist cause or arguments. What does it say when a Zionist like Greet Wilders gets called a Nazi in the Danish media? There are no Revisionists in his Party of Freedom and he has repeatedly made his anti-Nazi credentials clear.

What people like Barnes needs to understand is that all racially conscious Whites who wish to politically organize in order to further their ethnic genetic interests have to endure this type of name-calling; and it doesn’t matter whether they’re Revisionists or not.

“Revionism is a rogue meme that has been allowed to contaminate nationalism as an ideology - and before nationalism can flourish again it must be excised from nationalist ideologies.”

This is psychobabble. Which European nationalists publically engage in Revisionism? Le Pen’s “point of detail” comment hardly qualifies as Revisionism, by the way.

“3) All revisionism does is trigger an pre-prepared immune response from all sections of society who have been conditoned by the media to exhibit the same pavlovian response to revisionism. Revisonism empowers the enemies of nationalism as it produces the same social immune response each time it is present in a nationalist ideology. Revisionism kills nationalism.”

This is false. In order for European nationalists to be successful, in my opinion, the standard narrative of the history of the Second World War will first have to be rewritten. Revisionism plays a central part in that crucial endeavor.

“4) By allowing the rogue meme of revisionism in nationalism merely creates a social immune group response to the presence of nationalism in the political bloodstream of society, because society has been immunised against revisionism.”

More psychobabble from Barnes. This is a defeatist attitude. One could say the exact same things regarding slavery, colonialism, Jim Crow laws, etc.

“It is a self refuting argument to say ‘nationalism will not be accepted until it wins the revisionist battle’ as until revisionism is excised from nationalism then of course society will resist nationalism. The rejection of nationalism depends upon the presence of revisionism in nationalism.”

To paraphrase Carl Schmitt: one doesn’t always get to choose one’s Enemy, sometimes the Enemy simply decides to be your Enemy.

European nationalists get painted as Nazis; and it doesn’t matter whether they’re pro or ant-Nazi, pro or anti-Revisionist, or even pro or anti-Semitic. Again, nationalism in the Occident has little chance of success without the triumph of Revisionism and massive rewriting of the usual W.W. II narrative. But I’m not only a Revisionist for practical reasons, I strongly believe that Revisionists have presented convincing arguments; and that’s why they’re being prosecuted and persecuted all over the Occident, jailed and/or fined.

I’m not going to address the other points made by Barnes in this post as they’re only a hysterical and tedious repetition of what he had already said above.

But at any rate, Barnes, nobody is forcing you to be a Revisionist.

National Socialism was neither nationalist nor socialist.

National Socialism was Pan-Aryan Germanism - its aim was to create a pan-european empire based on racial purity where nation states, borders and cultures were replaced by a single Germannic culture and state whose citizens were defined by blood not by their national origin.

This why the Nazis killed as many nationalists as they could in the countries they invaded, just as the communists did in the nations they invaded as both regarded nazis and reds regarded nationalists as the main enemies of their models for empire.

All Empires are a priori anti-nationalist as was the Third Empire (Reich) and the Soviet Union (Empire). One cannot have an empire without it being trans-national. Empire neccsitates the destruction of nation states.

National socialists are also not nationalists and as such they should also be excised from nationalist ideologies and movements.

2) The ball and chain marked Hitler around nationalists ankles has been placed by there by the revisionists and cultists that have sought to contaminate nationalism with revisionism.

Nationalism is simply about three core principles ;

1) Defending the indigenous people of Europe
2) Defending the indigenous cultures of Europe
3) Defending the natural environment of Europe

Revisionism has NOTHING to do with nationalism, as in no way does it relate to any of the 3 core principes of nationalism.

Revionism is a rogue meme that has been allowed to contaminate nationalism as an ideology - and before nationalism can flourish again it must be excised from nationalist ideologies.

3) All revisionism does is trigger an pre-prepared immune response from all sections of society who have been conditoned by the media to exhibit the same pavlovian response to revisionism. Revisonism empowers the enemies of nationalism as it produces the same social immune response each time it is present in a nationalist ideology. Revisionism kills nationalism.

4) By allowing the rogue meme of revisionism in nationalism merely creates a social immune group response to the presence of nationalism in the political bloodstream of society, because society has been immunised against revisionism.

It is a self refuting argument to say ‘nationalism will not be accepted until it wins the revisionist battle’ as until revisionism is excised from nationalism then of course society will resist nationalism. The rejection of nationalism depends upon the presence of revisionism in nationalism.

5) Revisionists attack anyone in nationalism that rejects revisionism usually calling them a jew/red/crook etc etc - take your attacks on De Faye. Regardless of the great work he had done for our people you attacked him as he is against revisionism. You regard revisionism as more important than the 3 core principles of nationalism, taking power or loyalty to fellow nationalists. Therefore you are the problem, not De Faye.

That means you are not nationalists.

You can be a revisonist, but you cannot be a nationalist.

Nationalism is about organising to defend our race, folk, culture, nation and environment - it is not about organising to defend or attack a single specific historical issue.

What next- should we include creationism as part of the nationalist ‘Maoist textbook’ - along with anti-semitism, hatred of slavs etc etc.

To allow revisonism to be represented as a fundamental facet of nationalist ideology is to open the door to an endless stream of other irrelevant issues to become ‘fundamnetals’ of nationalism. There are only 3 fundamentals in nationalism. All other issues in nationalism are political.

The aim of politics is to take power. Politics evolves in line with society, whilst the 3 core principles remain eternal values at the core of nationalism.

REVISIONISM is therefore simply a political issue, and as it is an issue that damages our rise to power due to society being conditioned to reject it - then revisonism has to be excised from THE POLITICS OF NATIONALISM.

Revisionism is neither a core of nationalist principles and nor is it useful to political nationalism.

Political Nationalism is the nationalism of real nationalists who want to take power and save our race, folk, nations, cultures and environments through the politicl process.

Political Nationalism stands directly opposed by Idealistic Purists who reject political pragmatism for puerile idealism which merely ensures nationalism as a political force is perpetually relegated to the margins of society and hence can never take power.

Revisionists can be National Socialists - but they can never be nationalists. This is because any form of nationalism that allows revisonists into its ranks will never take power.

The only people who benefit from the poisoning of nationalism by the infection of revisionism are the ENEMIES of nationalism, for they know that nationalism + revisonism = social and political marginalisation.

If revisonism did not exist then the ADL, Searchlight and AIPAC would have to set up their own revisonist groups in order to infect nationalism and ensure it does not ever take power to threaten their own power.

The media has spent the last fifty years conditoning the masses into conflating nationalism with revisonism in order to ensure whenever a nationalist party arises in society they can be called nazis. This process works as nationalism has tolerated the presence of revisonists in its ranks who have then been used by the media to link the nationalist movement with the nazis and the holocaust.

Call yourselves what you are - you are National Socialists YOU ARE NOT NATIONALISTS.

As a supporter of free speech I support the right to debate all of history and to have a myriad perspectives on all historical events, but as a nationalist I cannot allow revisonists to continue to call themselves nationalists.

They are not and never have been nationalists.

NATIONALISTS WANT TO TAKE POWER - revisonists place their loyalty to revisonism above the process of taking power.

Mr. Barnes - the Zionism of messrs. Blair, Brown, Cameron and co. - while they attack the ethnic nationalisms of Europe’s own peoples, shows how wrong you are about ‘nationalism’ per se - for some groups its acceptability is compulsory - and also the holocaust.

It’s the sad little cult of holocaustianity that we must overturn; holocaustianity says that Europe’s peoples must accept race-replacement or else be equated with genocidists - accept genocide or be accused of genocide. The holocaust hoax is at the root of this position we find ourselves in.

Revisonists’ work is entirely compatible with your own - but you need not comment on it, or accept that the questions about the holocaust affect your claims on behalf of today’s British. However, to attack revisionists, and try and silence them is silly (at best), why the cultish behaviour?

As I’ve said before, people who believe that we are in a forced choice between “(1) setting the record straight on Hitler; or (2) saving the West” have it completely ass-backwards. Without a massive and ongoing revision of the rather clumsy Holocaust narrative that emerged in the mid-seventies (but not, it will be noted, in the memoirs of those who orchestrated the war, like Churchill), there will be not any WN movement, or saving of the White race. The ball and chain around every White person’s ankle is marked “Hitler”, and when the true story of those years is widely disseminated, things will begin to change, but not before. Any movement towards gentile group association is associated, in the Pavlovian way, with WWII imagery, and until that imagery is properly contextualized, there simply is no way forward. Immigration restriction is an even more stupid waste of time than dressing up as a Nazi; we now need a Race-spanning consciousness of our moment of crisis and the means by which we have been subdued. No revisionist activity needs to have anything to do with “Nazism”, whatever that is. Those who suggest that defending, explaining, or exposing the various hoaxes that pass for WWII scholarship are “Nazis” or “goons” or just in it for “dress up” can go back to Free Republic, where their comfortable Bush-fronted, Jew-financed worldviews will be treated more respectfully.

All attempts by Whites to organzie on the basis of race will be met by unending “holocau$t” propaganda. Nietzsche once wrote that Judaism, which he called “the art of concocting holy lies” had reached technical perfection in Christianity. If only!

Holocaustianity - an almost complete fabrication based on decontextualized pictures of typhus victims who were prevented from receiving what is by any objective standard heroic levels of care by the Germans (please compare with previous non-German internment experiences in Andersonville and the Boer War) - are now presented as victims of the “gas chambers”, technological terrors every bit as real as Orson Wells’ Martian Tripods, and deployed to much the same effect on American public opinion. Only you can’t go to jail for telling the truth about the Tripods.

The piles of dead bodies would not have been dead, without the “British” policy of saturation carpet bombing, which prevented food and medicine from reaching the camps. The Brits were good enough to sell photos of their handiwork to gullible tourists as proof of German beastliness, but the growing body of evidence show them, and the Jews, as World-Historical Liars.

This is a disgraceful attack on a European Racial Patriot whose contribution to our cause is immense. Just because he does not share the juvenile obsession of an irrelevant cabal with a single specific event in history, he is villifed and abused.

What next - is there to be a White Nationalist ‘position’ that we all have to ‘obey’ on the exodus of Jews from Egypt under the Pharoahs ? Perhaps you ‘enlightened ones ‘ could print a book telling us all what we should all believe all of the time - a bit like the anti-holocaust revisonist have passed laws that tell us what we are not allowed to believe.

A little Red Book of Revisionism, the New Maoism -how very jolly.

Those that gaze too long into the abyss, become the abyss.

This ‘party line business’ is all a bit soviet to me.

Talking about soviets though I laughed at the bit in the review about the Soviet Jewish war correspondent Boris Polevoï which had appeared in Pravda, Feb. 2, 1945.

How desperate people must be when they print the propaganda of soviets and then use that propaganda as the basis of their ‘truth’.

It is a pretty sad state of affairs when ‘nationalists’ use soviet war propaganda as the basis of their revisionist theory.

Thats a bit like using the movie ‘E.T’ as proof for the evidence of extraterrestrial life.

Get a grip eh lads.

Attacking De Faye personally is despicable, the fact that nationalists think that attacking nationalists is acceptable because they refuse to tow the ‘party line’ on the Holocaust shows us how far nationalism as a movement has vanished up its own arse and become a sad little cult.

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With the obliteration of the FN, I can only hope they’ll get back on track soon.

Congratulations! I like both Jürgen GRAF’s&Robert Faurisson’s and David DUKE’s analysis!

They are serious scientists, like Ahmed RAMI from my country, Sweden. Independent brains are proud of them!

Thanks, webmaster!

E.T.

In the words of Abe Foxman, “I am outraged.”

On the other hand, I do agree with Faye:
that persecution and imprionment of holocaust revisionists:
has hurt the Jews worldwide - it has opened the eyes of many.

Too much intellectualizing, carried on ad infinitum, threatens to turn the New Right into an old woman’s club.
The New Right needs to coagulate into a Political Expression in Brussels.
Concepts to Political Action to Imperium Europa!

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