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10 Responses to “Our dearly beloved Savior speaks in Berlin - early May 1941”

1. 1 WLindsayWheeler
   December 30, 2007 at 4:56 pm

   Come on Fredrich!!!—–”Our Dearly Beloved Savior”

   For Christ’s sake, what the Hell? Hitler as Savior? Eversince the French Revolution, the mass populi has been looking at every politico—as—-as their freakin’ savior! Over thousands of years of monarchy, no monarch was a “savior”. He just did his job—but ohhh no in the time of democracy—every politico is now a Savior! Trotsky was a Savior, Napoleon Bonopart is a Savior, Franklin Delano Roosevelt is a Savior, Bill Clinton is a Savior and now Barack Obama is a Savior.

   Only in Democracies, in the progressive leftist utopia of egalitarianism, does the politico become a Savior—And Fredrich, you the Arch Atheist, Applying “religious terms” to a dead, discredited, self-kilt, muckracker is the height of buffonery.

   You know there is a Virtue called “To be a cause of Victory”. And a vice called “To be a cause of defeat”. Which one was Hitler? Yes, he recognized the policy of de-racination of communism, tried to bolster the German people—but he himself took on Asian Monarchical Despotism, started a war and destroyed his “beloved” homeland—and he was a Savior?

   Come on Freidrich, you can do better than this! Just say a Speech from Hitler. Don’t go adding “Savior” because he was terribly flawed, and was ultimately defeated.

2. 2 Friedrich Braun
   December 30, 2007 at 8:21 pm

   Come on Fredrich!!!—–”Our Dearly Beloved Savior”

   For Christ’s sake, what the Hell? Hitler as Savior? Eversince the French Revolution, the mass populi has been looking at every politico—as—-as their freakin’ savior! Over thousands of years of monarchy, no monarch was a “savior”. He just did his job—but ohhh no in the time of democracy—every politico is now a Savior! Trotsky was a Savior, Napoleon Bonopart is a Savior, Franklin Delano Roosevelt is a Savior, Bill Clinton is a Savior and now Barack Obama is a Savior.

   Adolf HItler was a Savior of the German Volk in the sense of vanquishing unemployment, providing economic prosperity, restoring self-confidence to the German masses, cleansing German culture from foreign influences, destroying the shackles of the Versailles Diktat, and freeing Germany from Jewish tyranny.

   Only in Democracies, in the progressive leftist utopia of egalitarianism, does the politico become a Savior—And Fredrich, you the Arch Atheist, Applying “religious terms” to a dead, discredited, self-kilt, muckracker is the height of buffonery.

   He was and is the Savior of all Germans.

   You know there is a Virtue called “To be a cause of Victory”. And a vice called “To be a cause of defeat”. Which one was Hitler? Yes, he recognized the policy of de-racination of communism, tried to bolster the German people—but he himself took on Asian Monarchical Despotism, started a war and destroyed his “beloved” homeland—and he was a Savior?

   He didn’t start anything, Wheeler. He was successfully manoeuvered into a war that he wanted at all costs to avoid (see for example, Adolf Hitler - An Overlooked Candidate for the Nobel Prize).

   The Third Reich was far more democratic than today’s Zionist, anti-German Bastardstate. You’re mistaking Parliamentarianism for Democracy, Wheeler. They are not synonymous. The Third Reich had a direct and participatory democracy that fully took into account the wishes of the German Volk. Germans never had a better government in their history; and no leader was ever more loved by his Volk than Hitler. Save your insults and lies for a different outlet, Wheeler.

   Come on Freidrich, you can do better than this! Just say a Speech from Hitler. Don’t go adding “Savior” because he was terribly flawed, and was ultimately defeated.

   As a Jesus freak, Wheeler, I would have expected from you a deeper understanding of how an apparent defeat can be turned in the long run into a victory .

   Yes, he was defeated by the combined might of the Soviet Union, the British Empire, and the United States (and, let us not forget, international Jewry). None of the abovementioned entities would have vanquished the Third Reich by themselves. He took Germans and Germany to unprecedented and unequalled heights of greatness and glory!

   As you know, Wheeler, one can have right and truth on his side and still be defeated. Conversely, one can be a lying scoundrel yet victorious…Defeat or victory brings no metaphysical meaning in its wake.

   As time progresses Hitler will increasingly be vindicated in most of his observations and assessments. Time is on our side.

3. 3 Fred Scrooby
   December 30, 2007 at 10:25 pm

   Lindsay, read the following link to get a small glimpse of how Japan and Germany were forced into that war by Roosevelt’s people:

   http://www.thecivicplatform.com/2007/12/24/perpetual-war-for-perpetual-peace-by-harry-elmer-barnes/

4. 4 Al Ross
   December 31, 2007 at 1:41 am

   Germany was saved from its former deathbed of Jewish cultural infestation by Herr Hitler. He was the only leader with the fortitude to cleanse his nation of their most deadly foes. Would that the rest of Europe (and the US) had emulated him instead of engaging in a suicidally insane orgy of internecine strife, the only beneficiary of which was Judeao-Bolshevism.

   Germany’s impressive post-war, indigenous-led recovery would not have been possible had the Semitic parasites been restored to their former predatory status.

5. 5 WLindsayWheeler
   December 31, 2007 at 2:59 pm

   Let me ask you Mr. Braun, where was the “Rule of Law” in Germany? A western legal concept. Increasingly, what Hitler said out of his mouth, became Law! That is Asian Monarchical Despotism. I mean the people looked up to him as a God–who could do no wrong. He overruled his Generals countless of times. His Generals, who were mostly aristocrats, were right—and he was wrong. He was a bad strategist! (What also affected him was that his personal doctor had him on all sorts of drugs that hampered his thinking; aka Elvis Presley) He was foolhardy and a romantic when it came to battlefield conditions and strategy. He made his army stay in Stalingrad and lost it all. I do understand that he wanted to avoid war with the West. Churchill and Roosevelt instigated the War but it didn’t help that Hitler invaded Poland and Czechoslovakia–that wasn’t instigated by Churchill and Roosevelt.

   What Hitler was doing was redivinizing the State. And making a materialist physical thing “race” into a god. As an atheist, Mr. Braun, you should recognize that. He was anti-clerical, anti-monarchical, anti-aristocratical. So, yes, he did have some good points but he also had some very deep flaws.

6. 6 WLindsayWheeler
   December 31, 2007 at 3:07 pm

   You are right about this: As a Jesus freak, Wheeler, I would have expected from you a deeper understanding of how an apparent defeat can be turned in the long run into a victory. but the answer is not revolutionary. The way to combat Jewish masonic bolshevism is the Old Order of “Throne and Altar”. Jewish Bolshevism was held in Check, Mr. Braun, by the Christian Monarchs of Orthodox Russia and by Catholic Spain, Italy, and the Hapsburg Empire. Which the DAP, the forerunner of the DNSAP, was so happy to destroy. That is the true medicine and guard against Jewish masonic Bolshevism.
   And let me point out a magnificent read, Jerry Dell Ehrlich’s book Plato’s Gift to Christianity where he points out that Christianity is a Hellenistic construct. Plato’s ideas and concepts were what Hellenism is and it was Hellenism that gave the underpinnings of Christian thought, dogma, morals, and theology. Christianity is a Greek Religion and hence a European Religion.

7. 7 Al Ross
   December 31, 2007 at 5:13 pm

   When you combine Hellenistic Pagan philosophy with the symbolism and terminology of that Jewish heresy, Christianity, you get Gnosticism, which has little to do with what Jesus wasted his time teaching.

8. 8 Friedrich Braun
   December 31, 2007 at 8:28 pm

   Wheeler, I’m not asking you to believe that Adolf Hitler was your Savior and so I’m getting tired of this exchange. It’s beyond fruitless to debate a kook who reckons that the anachronistic answer to the world’s problems is a return to — wait for it! — Throne & Altar.

   “Let me ask you Mr. Braun, where was the “Rule of Law” in Germany? A western legal concept. Increasingly, what Hitler said out of his mouth, became Law!”

   Of course Germany had the Rule of Law, Wheeler. The corrupt, bourgeois (in)justice system in the West that you seem to admire so much is out of reach of the Middle Classes and reserved for either the rich (because of the exorbitant costs involved) or the poor (because of legal aid).

   As stated by Dr. Frank, the National Socialist idea or doctrine of law was essentially based on five great legislative duties: 1) the blood of the Volk (hence, the legislation on race); 2) the German soil (hence, the legislation on property and the right of inheritance of rural property); 3) the honour of the German people as one of the great values and historic notions (hence, the German institution of public law and numerous salient traits of the Military Code, the reform of the Criminal Code, etc….); 4) the defensive strength of the German Volk (hence, the establishment of German military greatness); and 5) labour in the most expansive sense of the word, cultural and intellectual labour, but also manual labour, economics and trade (established by the German statutes governing economic life and governing labour).

   Additionally, National Socialist Germany established the Academy of German Law whose membership (of about 300 academics and other experts and consulting committees) provided the Third Reich with a new legal structure.

   Only someone completely misinformed could say that “…what Hitler said out of his mouth, became Law!”

   “That is Asian Monarchical Despotism. I mean the people looked up to him as a God–who could do no wrong.”

   This is coming from a person who longs for a return to an absolutist monarchy! Tell me about the Divine Right of European kings, Wheeler!

   “He overruled his Generals countless of times. His Generals, who were mostly aristocrats, were right—and he was wrong. He was a bad strategist! (What also affected him was that his personal doctor had him on all sorts of drugs that hampered his thinking; aka Elvis Presley) He was foolhardy and a romantic when it came to battlefield conditions and strategy. He made his army stay in Stalingrad and lost it all. I do understand that he wanted to avoid war with the West.”

   More misinformed nonsense from Wheeler. Many of the so-called “aristocrats” proved themselves to be miserable traitors! Having a “von” before your name means nothing! Hitler was an extraordinary strategist; for example, Hitler was right to want to continue the drive to Kharkov instead of Moscow (it was just a “name” and of no strategic significance) as his generals foolishly wanted. As to Stalingrad, Erich von Manstein (perhaps the best German general on the eastern front) fully agreed with Hitler’s decision to stay to the bitter end in Stalingrad.

   “Churchill and Roosevelt instigated the War but it didn’t help that Hitler invaded Poland and Czechoslovakia–that wasn’t instigated by Churchill and Roosevelt.”

   Hitler didn’t “invade” the artifical creation of Czechoslovakia… that monster created by the Allies at Versailles. He intervened at the behest of Slovaks and Hacha when that “nation” was falling apart because Slovaks and Czechs were at each other’s throats.

   As to Poland, Danzig was (and will always be) a German city. Poles were oppressing and killing our people and Danzigers (National Socialist before the Reich) begged their Führer to intervene to save them from Polish ethnic cleansing and murder. The foolhardy Poles rejected all of Hitler’s more than generous offers of a mutual understanding.

   “What Hitler was doing was redivinizing the State. And making a materialist physical thing “race” into a god. As an atheist, Mr. Braun, you should recognize that. He was anti-clerical, anti-monarchical, anti-aristocratical. So, yes, he did have some good points but he also had some very deep flaws.”

   Right. Hitler was a socialist and a populist, no argument here. The economic and social status of the German community improved immeasurably under his stewardship.

9. 9 Fred Scrooby
   January 1, 2008 at 8:33 am

   Churchill and Roosevelt instigated the War ( — Lindsay Wheeler)

   I’ve got what I wanted from you, Lindsay. Thank you.

10. 10 Fred Scrooby
    January 1, 2008 at 1:32 pm

    By the way, here’s a good site for those in the Anglosphere with German ancestry:
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    http://www.germancross.com/
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    I don’t know where I got the link — probably from one of this site’s log entries. I had kept the address but never really browsed the till just now. It’s quite good but to like it you have to have German ancestry that you love and are proud of.