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1. Test:

   http:// dienekes.blogspot.com /2008/07/german-origin -of-transylvanian- saxons.html

   Comment by Fred Scrooby — July 27, 2008 #

2. That test was to see if a URL would get through the site’s software when spaces were inserted. It did. That URL (once the gaps I inserted are closed) will go to a Dienekes log entry explaining that the Siebenbürgen Saxons have kept themselves genetically intact since the 1100s, even despite the upheavals of the last century. That news pleased me (for a few reasons, I have a special place in my heart for the Siebenbürgen Saxons, as I do for the Kurland Germans) as I imagine it will please other well-wishers of the German peoples collectively especially if, as is my case, they have significant German ancestry and familial/cultural background.

   Comment by Fred Scrooby — July 27, 2008 #

3. “the Siebenbürgen Saxons have kept themselves genetically intact since the 1100s, even despite the upheavals of the last century”

   At least in their Y-chromosomes they have (the paper didn’t mention research into mtDNA).

   Comment by Fred Scrooby — July 27, 2008 #

4. Another reason that article interested me was I’ve read that some Germans in Germany have not found re-settled Volga Germans to seem to be ethnically fully German, as if those returning to Germany from Russia’s Volga-German region are the product of considerable mixture with non-German locals back in the Volga region. I don’t know the facts on this. In any case I’m glad the Siebenbürgen Germans have preserved their genetic identity even to the extent reported in this paper, notwithstanding whatever discoveries of mixture may come to light with further research (perhaps via mtDNA studies? or perhaps not, no more mixture than with the Y studies; so much the better in that case).

   Comment by Fred Scrooby — July 27, 2008 #

5. http:// dienekes.blogspot.com /2008/07/german-origin -of-transylvanian- saxons.html

   This link is dead.

   Comment by Friedrich Braun — July 27, 2008 #

6. You have to close up the gaps in the URL. Starting at the right: before saxon, before of, after com, and before dienekes. Then it’ll work.

   Comment by Fred Scrooby — July 27, 2008 #

7. Here’s the paper itself (in pdf format): I’m putting one gap in the URL, so this comment won’t be rejected — the gap is before Ligia and will need to be closed before the URL will work:

   http://www.legmed.ro/files/revista/2004-4/03- Ligia-ADN.pdf

   Comment by Fred Scrooby — July 27, 2008 #

8. The link works after the gap is closed. I just tried it.

   Comment by Fred Scrooby — July 27, 2008 #

9. That paper also has a little map showing the locations of the Seven German Fortress Cities of Siebenbürgen which the German settlers were required (as a condition for settling there) to build as a bulwark against invasion of Hungary from the south and east — Hermannstadt, Kronstadt, Klausenburg, Bistritz, Schäßburg, Mediasch, Mühlbach. These Germans including Flemings and Luxemburgers as well as Rheinlanders and folk from the Moselle-Valley/Trier area and some Schwabians (plus a few Walloons from the Liège area, it is thought, but not known for certain) had as their obligation to the crown of Hungary to defend that realm against invasion by the Turks, in exchange for which they received special privileges which remained in force during many centuries. After WW-I and the disolution of the Austrian Empire under which they were a principality I believe (or a duchy?, I forget), they formally petitioned the conference (either Versailles or Trianon, I forget which) to be considered (along with the adjoining Banat region, also settled by Germans) as a separate country from Romania but were turned down by the bastards running that conference, and got incorporated into Romania. I’m surprised and gratified they’re still hanging on there as well as they are. Lots of them returned to Germany when Ceausescu fell in 1990 and my impression was only a handful stayed, mainly the old. Time will tell if they manage to re-juvenate that ancient, distinctive, very interesting Germanic culture and population there.

   Comment by Fred Scrooby — July 27, 2008 #

10. I first learned there were Germans living there this way: some years ago I happened to glance at the TV a few minutes in passing, and saw a few minutes of one of these old silent-era Dracula films, I forget which one — maybe one made in Germany? Must’ve been one made in Germany, or in Europe. In the scene I happened to see, there were lots of local townsfolk in a café having some beer, some smoking pipes, and dressed in folklorish costumes that made me say to myself, “Those are German costumes, I’m sure of that. But I thought this movie was Dracula, set in Romania.” I was confused. Then when I passed again in front of the TV again later, the film was over and they were discussing it, the host and a young German actress, I have no idea who she was, thinking back. At one point in the discussion she mentioned to the host, “Did you notice the German folk in that café scene? That’s because there used to be Germans living in that part of Romania.” That one sentence stuck in the back of my mind. A couple of years later I happened to be reading Grimm’s “German Legends” (”Deutsche Sagen”) and in the Pied Piper story it said some people thought the children who were led away by the Pied Piper wound up in “Siebenbügen,” which I looked up and learned it was this place in what is now part of Romania where for a thousand years Germans lived. After I first got online and began looking things up, that was one thing I looked into, finding it was accurate, there was a huge German community in what is now Central Romania, what was then Transylvania (Siebenbürgen), a community as old as William the Conqueror’s invasion of England, a very ancient German community living there.

    Comment by Fred Scrooby — July 27, 2008 #

11. In fact, that particular Grimm book happens to be right near the computer here. Here’s the passage:

    Die Straße wodurch die Kinder zum Tor hinausgegangen, hieß noch in der Mitte des XVIII. Jahrhunderts (wohl noch heute) die bunge-lose (trommel-, tonlose, stille), weil kein Tanz darin geschehen noch Saitenspiel durfte gerührt werden. Ja, wenn eine Braut mit Musik zur Kirche gebracht ward, mußten die Spielleute über die Gasse hin stillschweigen. Der Berg bei Hameln, wo die Kinder verschwanden, heißt der Poppenberg, wo links und rechts zwei Steine in Kreuzform sind aufgerichtet worden. Einige sagen, die Kinder wären in eine Höhle geführt worden und in Siebenbürgen wieder herausgekommen.

    Comment by Fred Scrooby — July 27, 2008 #

12. The way I first found out about Kurland and the Baltic German communities (which were nearly as old as the Siebenbürgen ones) was I was reading one day about the WW-I Treaty of Brest-Litovsk when I saw stipulation therein for setting up a “Duchy of Courland” under German hegemony. I asked myself, “Courland? What’s that?” Thus began my education about the age-old German communities in what is now Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia, a very rich, complex history.

    Comment by Fred Scrooby — July 27, 2008 #

13. Interesting post on Hitler, I did not know these things. In fact, I don’t know much at all about him except for what I’ve seen and heard in the popular press. My Dad, a fine American officer of 30 years, does not like Hitler one bit.

    Thanks for the info on Wagner, I’ll look it up. I’m always on the lookout for good music. Any advice on the orchestra or conductor or music label?

    Comment by Rusty — July 28, 2008 #

14. “My Dad, a fine American officer of 30 years, does not like Hitler one bit.”

    Then I hope that he’s enjoying the multiracial, Zionist, Jew-controlled and dominated “kwa where Whites are getting biologically and culturally exterminated. It was people like him who made it happen! EN-JOY!

    Comment by Friedrich Braun — July 28, 2008 #

15. Friedrich, he nor I are enjoying it. He is a reasonably smart and hard-working man but he just doesn’t see a firm connection or, more likely, thinks that we would’ve been trading one evil for another. We don’t like socialism here, seeing it as too close to communism. So of course we aren’t very fond of National Socialism. I remain undecided nonetheless simply because I suspect I don’t have all the facts. Bitte, educate me.

    Comment by Rusty — July 28, 2008 #

16. “…more likely, thinks that we would’ve been trading one evil for another.”

    Yeah? Is that what “the Greatest Generation” still thinks? (”Great” at what, precisely?).

    A healthy, orderly, clean, homogeneous, White, Jew-free Europe. And a Jim Crowe U.S. where Whites are masters of their own house and destiny, and where the Jews’ influence and power are strictly held in check…just from the perspective of White genetic interests it would’ve been immeasurably better to have the Third Reich come out victorious. From a White American point of view, what “nightmare” were you referring to again?

    Whites are about to go extinct everywhere because the West and its “Greatest Generation” chose to destroy Germany 60 years ago…I’m not interested in your dad’s self-justifications. Objectively speaking, your dad, in his own little way, contributed to the Death of the West.

    As to educating you. Sorry, but I don’t have the time…if you’re too lazy to educate yourself, don’t count on others to do it for you.

    Comment by Friedrich Braun — July 28, 2008 #

17. What bug crawled up your ass, Fred? I have no quarrel with you, never have. Don’t piss on me, I’m just telling you how a typical American sees things, nothing wrong with that. And I’ve indicated that I’d like to know more. Now stop being a dickwad and just talk to me. What arguments work best on average people? What books or videos or movies do you recommend?

    Comment by Rusty — July 28, 2008 #

18. Oops, sorry, I meant, Friedrich, not Fred.

    Comment by Rusty — July 28, 2008 #

19. I didn’t mean to offend you, Rusty. Here’s my reading suggestions list:

    http://www.thecivicplatform.com/2006/05/17/my-reading-suggestions-for-all-racialists-and-white-nationalists/

    Comment by Friedrich Braun — July 28, 2008 #

20. I’ll check it out. No offense; I relooked at my post and saw that I could’ve phrased it better. Dankeschoen.

    Comment by Rusty — July 28, 2008 #

21. Mann O Mann! that’s a hellofalonglist. We already know about den Eidechsenmenschen, so half of the investigative work is done. I may eventually read most of this, but for now, what is the best way to help people see Den Fuehrer the way you do? We have a lot of myths to smash, obviously, but where to start for the skeptical, so they can understand what the German leaders were really trying to do with National Socialism, what really happened, usw.

    Comment by Rusty — July 28, 2008 #

22. You may start here:
    http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/welcome.html

    ***

    LIFE IN THE THIRD REICH and The World Political Situation Then and Now by Friedrich Kurreck.

    http://www.faem.com/eric/kurreck.htm

    1939 GERMAN ECONOMIC POLICY (under Hitler)
    by Wilhelm Bauer

    http://www.faem.com/books/economic.htm

    Hitler’s Social Revolution
    By: Gen. Leon Degrelle

    http://www.stormfront.org/posterity/ns/social.html

    The Enigma of Hitler
    By: Gen. Leon Degrelle

    http://www.stormfront.org/posterity/ns/enigma.html

    How Hitler Consolidated Power in Germany and Launched A Social Revolution: The First Years of the Third Reich
    LEON DEGRELLE

    http://www.vho.org/GB/Journals/JHR/12/3/Degrelle299-370.html

    To understand why W.W. II happened and the forces behind it:

    David Leslie Hoggan: The Forced War: Why Peaceful Revision Failed

    http://www.revisionists.com/revisionists/hoggan.html

    A. J. P. Taylor: The Origins of The Second World War

    Lots and lots of good stuff here:

    http://www.jrbooksonline.com/index.htm

    and here:

    http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archivesindex.html

    Comment by Friedrich Braun — July 28, 2008 #

23. Thanks, looks promising. Is Buchanan’s new book any good?

    Comment by Rusty — July 28, 2008 #

24. Probably, but I haven’t read it yet.

    Comment by Friedrich Braun — July 28, 2008 #

25. Here is a radio interview with Pat Buchanan about his new book,:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-duBtuLnRoo&eurl=http://thestressblog.com/

    Comment by Rusty — July 29, 2008 #

26. A good site for lots of stuff about Siebenbürgen (lots of internal links to explore):

    http://www.siebenbuerger.de/

    Comment by Fred Scrooby — August 17, 2008 #

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