The following essay was written by Fade about a year ago. I just stumbled on it yesterday. Constantin von Hoffmeister is the man, I’ll remind you, who was made a contributor by Guessedworker on MajorityRights.com.
I’ve seen this little comedy played out a dozen times over the past three or four years since I first saw Big Von’s drivel on VNN. I remind you that back then he was writing about Aryans on the moon and getting his “own fuckin’ Israel”. What he got, instead, was a foot in the door with some nobody Russian nationalists and an ESL position in Kazakhstan or someplace like that. At some point he sat next to Duke a few times and tried, in his creepy, lispy German-accented English, to enthuse the poor fellow with his loony self-indulgent I’m-a-crazy-poet-prophet-revolutionary blather, failing of course to elicit more from Duke than his usual exasperated whining.
Now, the comedy I refer to goes like this:
Big Von shows up at your favorite WN virtual stoop with his (charming, but vapid) “avant-garde” racialist essays (or, some well-meaning but small-minded WN finds his essays, freaks out over the content and splashes the forum with their ‘discovery’);
WNs get pissy, call him a Jew, decry his name as a preposterous pseudonym;
Big Von, clearly delighted, coolly replies that it is his real name, and does so in every case in exactly those words;
WNs get pissier;
Big Von sticks around for a few arrogant, empty little provocations, departs again for his circles of sycophancy on Phora, VivaMalta, Thiazi, LJ, etc. etc.
Big Von is a lot like Bill White and, say, Richard Barrett. All three are extremely narcissistic — to the extent that it is their defining virtual characteristic. They do not write essays and interact with us because they are interested in truth, art, friendship, solace, survival, or any of that, nor even some hearty flamewarring; they do so because they are primarily concerned with the construction and promotion of their personal mythos on the internet and, to the extent they are able, in real life. Big Von is better situated for the latter than my two examples. Wild Bill, as we all know, is class-A keyboard warrior, and Barrett is so utterly absorbed in his false reality he exceeds grotesque. Big Von, however, has something these two do not: youth and a degree of charm. He is German, that is his name. Chicks love it — or I imagine some do, and that is enough for the Vonze. (Have you seen those photos of him clutching Inga von Kramer? [sic.]) He has crazy-sexy-cool poetry to spice up his twisted beyond-left-and-right mix-and-match pseudo-ideology. People dig that, I’m telling you, especially traditionalists and neofolkites. One part German fascist, one part Red demagogue, another part wannabe surrealist, you have yourself a one-man cult.
I’ve said it before, no doubt I’ll say it again and again: Big Von is just trying to get a rise out of you. He says it himself: he is here for amusement. He likes to play the ‘deep’ guy who knows better. Then, when he’s got you howling like cats, he adds to his conceit by limiting himself to a few stock one-line ripostes which give him (at least to himself and his buddies) the virtual appearance of haughty objectivity and tact; then he says hahaha a few times for effect. Every post by Big Von in this thread was reproduced a dozen times elsewhere, from VNN 1.0 to Skadi and back again. It’s an invariable routine he hits you with to make himself feel bigger, cooller, more aryan than you. Do yourselves a favor and ignore him. Those who like him are essentially sycophants, I mean to say people whose nature is inclined to following and praising, yes-people, those who will mistake a blue sky for a black one if it pleases the self-appointed alpha shyster. You’ll also find Vonzee reproducing criticism of his virtual persona on certain forums; like all narcissists, he feeds on ANY and ALL attention, because ultimately it is all publicity and the sycophants will construe it as proof that they have hitched themselves to the right wagon. (Vonzee himself, of course, is not quite so stupid: he sees the criticism for what it is, probably even knows, in his stomach, that he’s a self-absorbed cunt.)
Do you all understand what I’m saying? Every time you call him a Jew or say that’s not his real name, you reinforce his own vanity. He RELISHES every opportunity to assert that yes, that is my real name, ha!, I am so very amused and euro at your pathetic hyperventilating americanism. This was in fact my first experience with Big Von. In a reply to him in VNN Reader Mail (years ago; you can probably still find it in there) I pointed out how absurd he is. Aryans in space. National Futurism. VON HOFFMEISTER. Pff, give me a fucking break, right? Now I never said in that first potshot that I believed his name to be false, but just as though I had — like he was just waiting for the chance, and verily chirruns, was he! — he countered with “That is my real name.” I was incensed, for you see what he did here: he had distorted my meaning with a self-serving response. By simply regurgitating a vain assertion of identity, he made me a tool of his own conceit. I HATE, HATE, HATE when people do shit like that, and I bet you all do, too. It’s what we call ‘jewish’, even if it isn’t specifically jewish. It is at the same level of deceit, of vanity, of just plain self-serving gall. From that moment on I knew the nature of the beast I was dealing with.
Now, Constanin von Hoffmeister is indeed his real name. We, as Amurrcans, are not used to seeing a name like that and are apt to disbelieve it, especially in a social environment like ours, clogged with all kinds of pretentious fake germanisms. Understandable, but also symptomatic of a larger problem which unfortunately cannot be explored here, which is the American inability to grasp the peculiarities of German society, to ‘feel’ them, as it were. In Germany vons are not all that rare, and a von doesn’t mean you’re anything special; they were given out as freely as knighthoods. Big Von’s claim to vonhood is through his grandfather who, he claimed at me (I can’t say to me because he framed his response indirectly, which the narcissist does to avoid validating other people besides himself), was vonned by the Kaiser or somebody for his participation in the suppression of the Boxer Rebellion — i.e. when the Kaiser sent his boys to shoot at weaponless but determined Chinamen who resorted to their fists to beat off an oppressor. (Students of history will know that on this occasion the Kaiser made his famous ‘Hunnenrede’, where he enjoined Germans to act like Huns, which indeed they did — furnishing British public opinion with one of its most popular nicknames for Germans.) Now, one can well imagine some kraut getting vonned for that. It was the times. Shoot a native, get a medal; ’twas a white white world, me lads. So what then? The von is reduced to nothing. Which leaves us with the surname HOFFMEISTER, whereof our boy hath also waxed fabelhaft. He claimed — in this same initial exchange to which I have referred — that Hoffmeister means HOPEMASTER.
Wait, let us pause for a moment. To let that sink in.
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Once more: HOPEMASTER. Remind you of anything? like maybe all those silly “name origin” websites catering to warm fuzzy idiots who like reading that their Hebrew- or Celtic-derived names mean things like “awesome star power” and “shining moonbeam love warrior”? Yes, we’ve all been there. Everyone has a cool, romantic, or ferocious name and this is amusing for a few weeks or at least whenever one has the chance to tell someone new about it and watch them pretend to be impressed for a second. At the same time, because Constantin is actually German (and if you do some googlewerk you’ll find his name in the alumni list at some Berlin “American school”, which leads me, at least, to believe one of his parents to be American or at least mischling), it displays a truly deplorable ignorance of German etymology — or not even that, an ignorance of the ubiquitous German TOURIST INDUSTRY, which abounds with ‘Hof’ after ‘Hof’, this word meaning no more than ‘courtyard’, and by extension ‘household’ — which makes ‘Hoffmeister’ no more than a slight spelling variant of the professional title HOFMEISTER, which is to say……..“private tutor”. Yes, you read it here volks!, Big Von is most likely descended from a mere private teacher. No offense to that extinct breed, they were a pillar of German and European society back in the day. . . .
Just as likely is it that Big Von will take all this demolition of his persona as no more than further occasion for preening, in fact I doubt he can do anything else at this point: for people like this, routine narcissistic self-deception is, as I’ve said, a defining trait, a psychological reflex they are usually not objective enough to identify and curb. And that is exactly what ails our boy Constantin. I’ve said elsewhere that he has some good ideas, that aren’t ‘his’ at all of course, and are more the products of excitability than solid thought, nonetheless expressed in charming fashion, but his creepy self-absorption and petty fishing for reasons to love himself far outweigh his shtick and style. In short, Big Von is a case of euro-decadence meets post-nationalism: his need for the primitive ‘steppe’ mythos of Russia satisfies his Aryan fetish (stripped of failed and phony modern trappings), which, being more intelligent than his compatriots, is not satisfied by German nationalism or White Nationalism as a whole. A need for the primitive is in the best cases a pure masculine impulse, and there’s nothing wrong with that, but in this case is muddled by a lot of bullshitting and conceit — but again, no one should expect such a hotblooded and unreflecting creature to understand, much less correct itself. Probably in his spare time, when no one’s looking, he reads Ossendowski and pretends he’s the Baron von Ungern-Sternberg. Yet, despite his romanticism of blood and the East, he has shown himself time and again to be a typical believer in petty euro-nationalist political romanticism, which indicates nothing more than the weak theoretical intelligence endemic to all White Nationalism.
But as I say, he will no doubt paste this all elsewhere, and we must give him credit in that he faithfully reproduces criticism; yet it reminds me of that note of Kierkegaard’s in which he says even if a professor quotes him as saying professional philosophy is absurd, it will not give him pause, and even if another professor quotes the professor quoting him, it will not give him pause, and even if another professor, etc. Nothing, in other words, will give Big Von visible pause — we don’t know what goes on in his head by way of self-criticism, though by the looks of it, little to none. And as has happened before, some little sycophant will make a post about how great he is, and even reading this will not give them pause, etc. That’s how this game works. The narcissist, the solipsist thrives on attention: we are all damned for giving it to him, no matter how explicitly & exhaustively critical. In a way, the solipsist-narcissist pulls the entire world under his feet, reinterprets it as a reflex of his own imagined superiority, for though it is all an obvious charade put on for their own benefit, they still occasionally succeed in getting a rise out of someone, for they have inspired in them the feelings associated with being inferior, though the circumstances of such a relation have nothing to do with the exact, existing dynamic between them. Thus they can be said to capitalize on a mere feeling — an emotional-linguistic stimulus response game — both in themselves and in others, just to have that precious illusion of being superior. Those are the entrails of narcissistic psychology, the libri haruspicini of the solipsists, as it were. Something in their early lives sets them on the path of self-deception, much like the Jews as a race, and from this course they never waver: their whole lives are devoted to constructing, patching, and promoting their own mythos, their own imagined superiority to everyone else on the planet, their solitary, high-minded righteousness in a sea of low-born stupidity, treachery and cowardice. They’re the biggest liars on the block, yet are the first to call everyone else liars, as loudly and often as possible. Big Von is not a fraud in the way you all like to think (and this is a symptom, again, of your own mental limitations): but he is very much a fraud to himself, and to the extent that you speculate in the terms to which he is accustomed, to that extent do you keep alive the caricature of his persona. Put another way: your quibbling over details (name, race, ideas) feeds the real fraud, the fraud of vanity which seeks out such quibbling to reassert itself. Ever seen Star Trek: TNG? He’s kinda like the Borg, who ‘adapt’ to your ammo. He has adapted to wide-of-the-mark speculation; he has assimilated it in his quest to aggrandise himself on ~~*the internetz*~~. The more you fire, the longer the game is perpetuated. Ideally every forum would have a sticky alerting newcomers to his eventual appearance, his nature and the rules of the game, so all can avoid indulging his tired, self-serving whimsy. (Too much organisation involved for WNs, unfo.) And you most certainly will not see him address any of this; he hasn’t before, and will never, for two reasons: first, he knows I am right, and doesn’t want to see himself bested in argument; second, somewhat related, is that to address this analysis would be a departure from his routine, which involves saying as little as possible to appear cool and discriminating. To actually defend himself would be to acknowledge the existence of a competing interpretation of his character. This is why he comes on sites like VNN when someone mentions his essays and acts out the routine: — he is safe when it is only WNs and himself. The WNs can throw their superficial accusations at him, he can delicately parry and feel like the bigger man swatting off so many incompetent fools. But add another voice, another line, another interpretation, and he’s lost; it breaks the rules of his game; and to play by the new rules is already to acknowledge defeat. The solipsist does not even want to think about being put on equal footing with someone else, and is actually incapable of considering that he has been shown up or proven wrong; their psychological condition is bound up with belief in their overriding superiority and correctness, and one would have to physically torture them to reduce them to a state of self-reflection. This is also much like the Jews — they thrive on binary opposition and are systematically trained from their swaddling clothes to consider themselves the center of the universe. The introduction of a third element is, in fact, what Big Von tries to represent in his fashion between Neo-Nazis and Zionists, though usually with the intent of pissing off the former and sucking up to fringe representatives of the latter, which he in his overheated brain imagines to be a mystical, symbolic wedding of Judah and Arya through the medium of his own person, high above the mundane pettiness of the races themselves.
Once again, the more you air your all-too-typical WN paranoias, the more you feed his conceit. The best approach is to ignore him entirely, because whoever doesn’t directly add to his mythos, his delusions of superiority and ‘amusement’, literally ceases to exist for him psychologically. He says he doesn’t care, but that is a symptom of how very much he cares about, NEEDS your attention to support his mythos. It is not without significance that the original definition of autism, coined by Eugene Bleuler, was “withdrawal of the patient to his fantasies, against which any influence from outside becomes an intolerable disturbance.” He actually included autism under the umbrella concept “external negativism”, which meant negation of outside influence, and described its relation to others in this way —
“Often the patients maintain their indifference in spite of
opposition; it may be that very strongly negativistic patients
are permanently euphoric and do not come out of this mood,
while they resist with bites, scratches, and blows the invitation
to shake hands; their defense is sport for them like a jolly play.
More commonly the whole behavior looks like that of a flirt;
women patients watch the physician, as if they were waiting for
him to offer them his hand, or bring forward a request, so that
he must busy himself with them, and then, in their negation, behave
like a maiden who stimulates her lover, but tries to appear
as if she were keeping him off. At other times the negativism
has a plainly erotic character, sometimes in the agreeable sense
of a love-play, sometimes in an unpleasant sense, as the aversion
to an attack, and often in both directions at once.”
Link to Google Books
— and indeed, I have elsewhere described, long before reading Bleuler, the behavior of narcissists like Hoffmeister, White and particularly R. Barrett as “feminine feint-strategy”, i.e. the setting up of the male or masculine element for subsequent debasement to serve the reinforcement of their ego; Si Sheppard analyses this in his Tyranny of Ambiguity. At any rate such behavior is categorically feminine. What Big Von does is not quite feinting, but pretty close, and Bleuler’s description of the external negativist in relation to others is spot on. Von likes to flirt with those he feels beneath him. The crucial factors are professions of indifference (he “REALLY, REALLY, REALLY doesn’t care” what you think of him), always following provocative one-liners designed to lead on the target, thus expressing a morbid symbiotic relationship, and euphoria, which is the unique tone of his style (though not his general state of mind) and the excuse for his wishy-washy allegiances, also the cause for labeling him ‘sociopathic’, clinically quite correct but not leveled at him with clinical intent; his over-cultivation of a so-called ‘dionysian’ flair and approach to metapolitics is too outré for most around these parts, which doesn’t make it better, deeper, righter, or something to extol, but exactly what it is and appears to be: an artificially wild curio amid a few dozen blander voices with this or that rigid party line. Just here the vanity of Von crosses over into the neofolk obsession with crossing subpolitical boundaries, or what they believe to be such, finding expression in vapid constructions like “National Bolshevism” and the like. In fact they have never departed from a quite shallow understanding of politics, delimited by tepid character, and hold up their vociferous renunciation of extremism and Hitler, and their pandering to neofolk Jews and other non-white nationalists, as some deeply philosophical blend of nationalism and leftism. They say they are “beyond left and right” when they are merely too decadent and ambivalent — ambivalence: also coined by Bleuler — to be militantly right or left. Kitsch, artsy-fartsy traditionalist myths and the like render them unfit for the thickheaded approach to politics, which they decry in WNs as bigotry (which it is) and praise in Jews as ‘Zionism’ (which it isn’t). This is not even beneath politics, it is actually a literary disease posing as politics. Big Von’s allegiances are basically dual: one to Germany, which he execrates or extols as the mood (or the book) strikes him, goading you and himself — the masochistic propensity of the exasperated outsider to flog his own people is in fact the primary motive here; one to the East, or what these people call ‘Eurasia’, which is of course a clever species of would-be Russian imperialism posing as multiculturalism. Between these two poles he ‘euphorically’ gyrates, baying here about the anti-Aryan SS and the primitive virtues of the Slavic domain (though the “noble savage doesn’t exist”, he says), backtracking like a fool there about the NPD’s couple hundred votes and its alleged ‘unique’ blend of left and right (there it is again!), which is, of course, a not really clever disguise for the basic tenets of National Socialism, which they dutifully repudiate by holding up early Nazis like Röhm as ‘real’ National Socialists and can in no way put into practice, being a repressed class whose activities are restricted to making up isms and websites, occasionally meeting for din-din and a few flaccid speeches. This is Big Von’s entire catalogue, actually the entire catalogue of his whole ilk. They’re as grandiose as they please; the internet affords them this creative license.
Stirpes banned him last year for spreading his drivel, even allotting it a special corner for more objective display. I point to that thread as being representative of his usual mixed reception: amusement, disinterest, speculation, consternation. The more intelligent mark him for what he is and smile. (I feel it is necessary, or at least more fun, to go a step further by opposing him wherever he turns up.)
Incidentally, that thumb ring is characteristic of him as a whole. You’re all right to fixate on it, though stupidly wrong to take it to mean he’s homosexual (though that svelt, gothy little thing between him and Duke leaves this open to question), and again, that kind of WN potshot is just what he feeds on. He WANTS you to call him a fag, a fraud, a jew. He LOVES it because he can keep whining to his friends about how cliché and close-minded you are (he’s generally not wrong, there: no offense). He has more experience of the world, you see; he thinks he’s hot stuff because he sat in a rented room with some fatass ruskies with alleged “ties to the Duma” — which everyone seems to have at this point, possibly also myself, à la Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon — or because he’s banged a few Russian chicks, or, and make no mistake about this, because he’s German, which he thinks is the summit of human existence yet, at the same time, excoriates to bolster his ‘edgy’, ‘fringe’ persona and curry favor with his neofolk/traditional/eurasianist buddies. It’s bohemianism, in a word. Ok, Constantin reads Euro-poetry. Ok. He drinks wine and has dinners with NPD people. Here’s Constantin in Russia, making a speech at some unimportant meeting with this hot chick, David Duke, that highly fuckable Lady Renouf and some totally forgettable ruskies. Ok. Ok. The Earth is shaking . . . can’t you feel it? He’s the man, he’s making waves, death to the Fascist Aggressor! A murmur goes through the crowd….scandal! the ferocious poet-prophet-madman-wanderer Constantin “das ist ja mein wirklicher Name” Hoffmeister comes out against Adolf Hitler, the SS, the Party, Germany itself….locates the true Aryan spirit on the steppe, whence it came, behind the Iron Curtain!….scandal! schock! murmur! nie dagewesen……goes on, time after time, however to sing the praises of Sonderweg and the NPD, always in exactly the same way, verbatim, word-for-hopeful-word, because at bottom he’s a German who wants to believe his country (where he must return when his visa expires!) isn’t lost and that this worthless little party, which survives because Germany’s political tradition is a little more stable than our own, will one day reseat das deutsche Michel upon his mighty steed and blah blah blah. Utter tripe, the whole of it. Whenever, wherever you encounter Big Von, just remember: ARYANS IN SPACE. His head’s already preceded us. Will we ever catch up, we pitiably unworldly, close-minded nationalist types, o so woefully behind his awesome prophetic visions of IMPERIVM EVRASIA* and big bouncing russian boobies for all?
Post-script: Anyone notice Big Von’s molestor mustache and slicked-back hair? or how about his startling resemblance to Falkor the Luck Dragon:
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“A functioning police state needs no police.”
—William Borroughs
Agreed.
I started ignoring him once I realized that he (1) has a poor understanding of the topics he writes about and (2) contradicted himself frequently.
Ignoring movement buffoonery is, I think, more sensible than dwelling on it.
Reading this piece, one keeps having the thought, “Why does such an obviously intelligent writer care so much about Big Von’s defects that he writes a piece of this length? Three or four paragraphs would’ve sufficed.” (Who wrote this, by the way? I remember skimming it when it appeared at Proze’s site. If memory serves, the same guy wrote several additional comments along the same lines.)
Big Von’s value, in my eyes, lies in his rock-solid, unshakable, complete rightheadedness on race. He’s not partial, vague, or tentative the way you see in some people. He’s solid. This is good. I dislike his distinct, grating, even shocking (grating and shocking to my ears: I identify as a German underneath my ‘Kwan membership) anti-Germanism (”the Germans in East Prussia and Dresden got what they had coming”; “there’s no justification for questioning Germany’s present borders: what’s now part of Poland and Lithuania should stay that way”), his confusion in regard to communism. But on race he couldn’t be better. Now, of course the writer of this article would say neither Von’s views on race nor his other views are genuine or rock-solid, but all are one manifestation or another of narcissism. Well, if that’s true, all I can say is we’ll somehow muddle through withhout “the Big Von.”
Von’s views on race aren’t solid. He has said that he doesn’t made interracial relationships or having sex with non-Whites as long no procreation occurs. Now, there’s a small step between having sex and having sex and conceiving. Guessedworker is fundamentally anti-German and Von’s rhetoric appeals to him.
As someone else wrote:
Constantin von Hoffmeister has admitted to having sexual relations with an African and alluded to possible sexual relations with Asians.
He defends others who indulge in such (check his Janet Jackson pro-interracial rant). To him, as long as there is no offspring, there is no problem with such indulgences, overlooking the correlation with the downfall of empires and opening of relations with foreign invaders.
von Hoffmeister is a racial traitor, if he can be considered part of our race altogether. He has committed treason against our people by fornicating with subhumans and promoting them in his twisted ways. He has also committed treason by creating fragmentation within the movement. If anyone comes into contact with Constantin von Hoffmeister then I would suggest using verbal, physical or otherwise harm to him, as such can only help improve the stability and solidarity of the movement.
http://www.vivamalta.org/forum/showthread.php?t=8584&page=11
His latest rant over at majority rights has everyone scratching their head. Constipated Von Hooper really is a horrible addition to an otherwise great group of writers.
According to FB’s link there, CvH was 32 three years ago, so he’s 35. For some reason I thought he was in his late 20s or so. I’d been cutting him some slack because of youth but if he’s in his mid-30s it’s time for him to finally start getting his ideas not only straight but consistent: for one thing, lose the alternating pro-bolshevik/denying-being-a-bolshevik self-contradictory inconsistency. For another, start figuring out that no, Germany didn’t “have Dresden, Hamburg, and East Prussia coming, any more than it had the post-surrender genocide coming or the Morgenthau Plan coming. And start getting real about the Jewish ring-leader role please: no one says they pull it off singlehandedly, including Kevin MacDonald who calls them a necessary but not sufficient condition. But that among the several factors they’re without a doubt the central one is beyond dispute.
And while CvH is getting his head screwed on frontwards in regard to the Jews, “The Realist” can start doing likewise please. Jobling is a good man and an excellent ally but his frequent detours into weirdly trying to exculpate the Jews are beginning to resemble the Stockholm Syndrome or something: why in the world is he expending so much energy on that all the time when there’s important work to be done? My suspicion is he thinks once the Jews are convinced no one blames them they’ll come flocking over to our trenches. He couldn’t be more wrong, because the Jews don’t fundamentally give a damn whether we blame them or not: they’re not going to change their pro-race-replacement stance, for precisely the central reason Jobling refuses to admit, namely (earth to Jobling, earth to Jobling, now get this) THEY LOVE RACE-REPLACEMENT, ADORE IT, TOTALLY INDEPENDENTLY OF WHETHER OR NOT EUROS REALIZE THEY LOVE IT OR “BLAME THEM” FOR IT, AND THEY’LL NEVER FLOCK TO OUR SIDE ON THIS: YOU DON’T JOIN FORCES WITH THE ONES FIGHTING THAT WHICH YOU ADORE MORE THAN ANYTHING IN THE WORLD EXCEPT ©I$RA€£®™, AND THE JEWS ADORE RACE-REPLACEMENT MORE THAN ANYTHING IN THE WORLD EXCEPT ©I$RA€£®™ (ok, maybe there are a few things they adore just as much: 1) extracting money in general; 2) protesting; and 3) black-on-blonde-shiksa porn but that’s it I think …).
The Jews are the “but for” factor. Without them many the things that weaken and destroy us wouldn’t be possible.
I do not accept VonH. Neither do I accept FTB after Wintermute’s devastating expose.
Do you mean FadeTheButcher? Can you post wintermute’s exposé?
FB were you not at the Phora in 2004?
This was when Fade the Butcher went from firebreathing NS type to kosher conservative or something along those lines. I mean it was absolutely SCHIZO. As if one moment the personality did a mirror image.
Now if a fellow is just having fun that is his/her/their right however I would consider said individual to be not a member of our side.
I have nothing personally against he/she/it/them just made a determination is all.
Poor Wintermute, always doing the dirty work, cornered the FTB, 2nd edition, and really exposed to all readers, before his posts were deleted, all that one could possibly expect when the laser eye of WM came down on a subject.
An example, of many, from Phora 2004 WM addresses FTB:
Occupied Germany, 1945-1949
I argued this point extensively on gnxp.com. For my trouble, fifty of my posts were erased by a shocked host, and other posters - from Hungary, Britian and all around Europe - simply would not believe what had happened. There was a lot of ridicule, a lot of accusations of me ‘being a Nazi’, and even some halfhearted argumentation, though I was finally banned before that could go too far.
They could not understand and would not believe what had happened. It seemed impossible to them - for the same reason it does to Petr - that the ‘good guys’ who are, after all, ‘not totalitarian’, were capable of such enormities. And of covering up the same.
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This alleged post-war mass famine took place in the middle of the civilized Europe, and say what you will, under governments that were not as totalitarian as the Soviet government.
Alleged . . . say what you will . . . believe me when I say these crimes more than exceed ‘the Holocaust’. When that frightful fiction finally collapses, and these actions are entered into the public record, the world will be a very different place than it is right now.
http://www.serendipity.li/hr/revcrimes.html
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But it is probably on page 131 that we find the epicenter of the book, and its seismic thesis; it is here, in a little, statistical chart, that Bacque’s findings may be seen in a single glance.
TOTALS OF DEATHS
Minimum Maximum
Expellees (1945-50) 2,100,000 6,000,000
Prisoners (1941-50) 1,500,000 2,000,000
Residents (1946-50) 5,700,000 5,700,000
_________ __________
Totals 9,300,000 13,700,000
“Expellees” refers to the 16,000,000 ethnic Germans who were driven from their ancestral homelands in Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, and elsewhere in Europe, at war’s end.
These included mostly women and children and elderly men who, with a few belongings in hand and running the gauntlet of deep, local animosity, set out upon the open road toward the rump state of Germany.
“Prisoners” are, of course, the German POWs, the subject of Bacque’s first book.
“Residents” here refers to the German civilian population that survived the Second World War.
According to Bacque, given the extraordinarly harsh conditions imposed upon them by the Allies (i.e., the British, French, Soviets, and Americans), at least 9.3 million and possibly as many as 13.7 million Germans, had, by 1950, needlessly died as a result.
He writes: “This is many more Germans than died in battle, air raids and concentration camps during the war. Millions of these people slowly starved to death in front of the victors’ eyes every day for years.”
That’s between 9 and 14 million postwar deaths. Are either of you (Petr and Fade) familiar with the Morgenthau plan? That will give intent to go along with all the dead bodies.
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But it is the U.S. Treasury Secretary, Henry Morgenthau, Jr., who is the arch-villain of the piece, the one who hatched the serpent’s egg: the vicious, vengeful Morgenthau Plan for the post-war “pastoralization” (read: the de-industrialization and abject subjugation) of the German people.
Devised, “cancelled,” then implemented via the punitive directive JCS/1067, the Morgenthau Plan wreaked havoc on the German economy and, by extension, the fragile European economy.
Because of it, post-war reconstruction in Germany was delayed until late 1948; by which time millions of German civilians had already perished.
For your information, Fade, this would be the same Morgenthau from that politically ‘naive’ tribe who had no influence on American presidents starting with Wilson. Or at least not ‘hegemonic’ control. You should look into Patton’s diaries to see how deep the rot ran.
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Bacque’s determination to shine a hard light on some long-hidden and neglected truths regarding the Western Allies and their often inglorious actions during and after World War Two will, as sure as night follows day, provoke the animus of the coterie of mythologists who have dined out on simplistic notions of Allied heroism and decency–and exclusively German villainy–for the past half-century.
I’m shocked you haven’t heard more about this, Fade. From your endless spouting on other threads, you seem like someone whose mind is glutted with innumerable court historians’ take on the era.
Surely they did not overlook the deliberate death of ten million people?
If so, you might consider acquiring a more skeptical stance towards what the court is telling you. Or, you might just wait a few months, until your roving ideology has taken you someplace completely different.
WM
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wintermute 09-30-2004 05:15 AM
Fade, you have sources and figures. I am sorry that your court historians did not see fit to cover these materials - and since I am unable to ‘prove’ Jewish hegemonic control over the academy, it is plain that none of them ever feared for their jobs or reputations in a larger society when they wrote their histories of the period.
You do a good job of covering your ignorance with your massive OCR scans from your libraries’ latest acquisitions.
Like it or not, you will have to examine Crimes and Mercies, Other Losses and John Sacks’ Eye for an Eye, and compare them with your own sources and common sense.
Mockery and other rhetorical manuevers will not assist in the task of making Sack and Bacque’s research go away.
Your ignorance of the Morgenthau Plan and those in favor and opposed to it is lamentable. I would also mention that your constant presumtion that all governments are in a unitary state is false, and I think you are employing it simply for purposes of argument, as no student of history can be that stupid.
The United States government is composed of different cliques, lobbies, networks, and parties. That a Jewish/Morgenthau faction might have indeed have implemented large portions of the Morgenthau plan before being stopped by considerations of a Soviet danger seems to have escaped you. That the Jewish faction was also opposed by Hoover, who organized a massive international relief effort, also seems to have escaped you. Ooops, I forgot: you have no mastery of historical fact except for what arrived in last week’s library take. Hence, not having read Bacque or Sack or anyone who has dealt with this period honestly, it is impossible for you to take into account any of the cross interests which ultimately determine policy.
Nevertheless, despite your ’skepticism’ - which does not extend to making wild claims, as you have on your ‘mugwort’ thread, that the “holocaust” was documented by the Roosevelt administration - or to even question what belligerent neo-con Conrad Black has to say about Roosevelt (who he calls “a champion of freedom”), it is easily shown that all of these events did indeed happen, and that the Morgenthau plan, Hoover’s relief efforts, Patton’s growing awareness of Jewish influence in Washington, the ethnic cleansing of Germans, resulting in the death of 2 - 6,000,000 persons, the policy of de-industrialization for Germany, the starvation of German POW’s in open air camps (1.5 - 2,000,000 dead), and all the rest - can be confirmed.
Even in the court histories you prefer.
Having provided you and Petr, who seemed curious, with information regarding sources and numbers, I expected something better of you than hollow mocking which you cannot even substantiate. I doubt you even know how Sack and Bacque’s work was recieved by the academic establishment, or the publishing industry for that matter. Perhaps you should look into it. For my part, I have discharged my responsibility by providing the figures requested.
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So let me get this straight: it was the goal of the United States Government to exterminate ten million German lives (why?), to pastoralize Germany in accordance with the Morgenthau Plan (which was actually carried out, because the U.S. Government was ‘controlled’ by the Jews). Interesting. You see, I find this highly curious because by 1963 Germany was again one of the wealthiest and most industrialized nations in the world with a foreign trade volume second only to the United States.
The above quote indicates that your education has been a waste, Fade. If you cannot understand how a powerful Jewish faction could enforce draconian treatment on a defeated Germany, only to be later displaced by a Gentile realpolitik approach which desired a counterweight to Soviet power, then you are a moron. Or worse, someone who resorts to empty rhetorical posturing when he does not want to deal fairly with facts. Were you even aware of the Morgenthau plan? You might also want to look into the American bestseller of 1941, Germany must Perish!:
http://www.ihr.org/books/kaufman/perish.html
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Kaufman’s fervent proposal for the systematic sterilization of the entire German population was given respectful attention in the American press, including reviews in a number of newspapers. A review in the weekly Time magazine, March 24, 1941, called Kaufman’s plan a “sensational idea.”
Your behavior in the past few days has been wildly erratic. I have been extremely uncomfortable here since you made the claim that there was a powerful mass movement in the United States to expel the Jews in the early twentieth century, when all of the major anti-Jewish agitators - Ford, Lindbergh, Coughlin - were completely neutralized. Your basis for such a claim? A poll! A poll where 20% of respondents indicated that they didn’t like Jews.
Your further argument - openly mendacious - that early twentieth century Jews in the United States were politically ‘naive’ and practically powerless - even though they neutralized Coughlin, Lindbergh, and Ford, and had besides established virtual control of banking (hello? Does the Federal Reserve ring a bell?), film, radio, newspapers, the Wilson administration, et. al. indicated to me that you are a person with no interest in historical truth, but a somewhat unhealthy interest in online debate.
The above response to Sack and Bacque’s research proves it.
Other people here claim that the ‘new you’ is like Sulla reborn, but to me, you seem more like kikel with a libary card.
At any rate, you and readers here now have some sources and numbers to play with. You are free to wave your hands in the air and say, “I don’t believe it!”, but you cannot then fault others for regarding you as irrational in the extreme.
I apologize for being the source of such inconvenient documentation.
WM
Within a week or so he made his farewell post of extensive documentation that totally and utterly destroyed the FTB character’s distortions, pro-Enemy of Our people distortions.
To quote WM(He closes with a lengthy documentation of his point which I do not include:
wintermute 10-03-2004 05:56 AM
I said goodbye to Petr, not the Phora community as a whole.
I did promise Friedrich Braun that before leaving I would post the information I had gathered on Bacque and Sack. For those keeping score, this is actually my last post. I will read PMs so long as the Wintermute account is in service, so please direct all inquiries there.
The data is a overview which directly addresses the reliability of Bacque and Sack, and their support among ‘reputable historians’. Also: Order JCS 1067 and it’s dependance on Morgenthau, the actual circumvention of 1067 as practiced in the field, David Irving’s support of Bacque, confirmation of Sack’s thesis, and the absolute dishonesty, amounting to mental illness, of Fade’s main source, and Bacque’s chief critic, Stephen Ambrose.
Do I know you under a different name?
I didn’t know the Jewish genocide of Germans after the latter’s surrender amounted to some fourteen million. I knew the Jews killed at least three million Germans after the war had ended and the Germans been disarmed, with the possibility the number exceeded that figure by as much as an addional two to three million. But fourteen million, a figure that sounds about right now that I think of it, was beyond my worst fears.
So, there we have it: history’s worst, most bloodthirsty, most criminally-insane genocidalists — I refer to the Jews — perpetrated, as long-premeditated payback for the 1935 Nuremberg Laws (laws whose exact Jewish counterpart today are one of the pillars of the nation of Israel), perpetrated against the surrendered, disarmed Germans, fourteen million men, women, children, and old people killed, murdered, massacred, snuffed out, genocided, annihilated. At the hands of the Jews.
Arabs go around slashing throats and beheading people. No one knows why, they just do it. It’s their thing. It’s an Arab thing, you wouldn’t understand. The Arabs’ racial cousins the Jews have a different way of going about it: They’re big into genocide, huge, can’t get enough of it. They love going around genociding races. No one’s really clear as to why, but no matter, they just do it, it’s a Jew thing, you probably wouldn’t understand.
I’ll add, on the subject of Proze: I’m not so certain where he stands on race. I once thought I knew, but he’s since posted comments that cast that in doubt, ones sort of leaving the impression he’s not only evolving away from race but never was completely convinced of race in the first place.
That’s the main reason I haven’t resumed posting at his site since his return to blogging. Another reason is his strong interest in Kunstler (and, less so, in Amitai Etzione). Kunstler is as far removed from our side as it is possible to get (as is Etzione), for the simple reason he disregards race, so no matter how accurate his societal diagnoses may appear, they have to be wrong in their fundamentals because he doesn’t take hereditary race into account.
In today’s world, if you don’t take biological race and species into account (I consider True Negroes a separate species, not a separate race) you can’t get anything about society right, and you are a zero.
“….as long-premeditated payback for the 1935 Nuremberg Laws…”
I don’t believe it had anything to do with that, except perhaps as a pretense. As soon as jews have power over whites they will try to do the utmost damage to those whites by as much as circumstances permit, as we are for them THE enemy since a very long time.
In modern history their first major opportunity arose with the Russian Revolution. The Russian people had to suffer terribly thereafter. The second opportunity arose after the end of WW2 in Germany, and accordingly the Germans had to suffer terribly.
If one considers the various jewish plans like the Kaufman plan, then in the end Germans can be even considered lucky. I remember reading estimates, that according to one of these plans Germany would be able to sustain only 40 million people, the rest would be starved to death. Another option was the sterilization of all German males, thus total genocide would have resulted.
Personally I think what “saved” us (at least preliminary) is the fact, that Stalin posed a major threat to the west, and this was eventually recognized. The Germans were needed by the West. After the non-jews amoung the western allies realized that, some sort of reason arose putting an end to the starvation policy. So, in a sense we must be thankful to good old Stalin, even though this was probably an unintended consequence of his policy.
At present no such direct action against whites is possible, thus a more in-direct but nevertheless in the longer run very harmful approach is being taken by the jews, namely race-replacement. But be assured, if there should ever arise the opportunity for direct action again anywhere in the white world, you would again see similar events.
Excellent comment above by 123. I’ve been interpreting the genocidal Furor Judaïcus visited upon innocent law-abiding Germans during and, most especially, for a few years following WW II (via Jewish influence on American and Soviet-Russian military and post-surrender occupation policy) as payback for the 1935 Nuremberg Laws (laws whereof Israel has the exact Jewish counterpart today and nobody notices). But it may simply have been something the Jews had in store for the Germans anyway (regardless of the perfectly reasonable, highly-civilized 1935 Nuremberg Laws) on the basis of rabid, truly frightening, terrifying Jewish Euro-hatred. As soon as the Jews are in a position to harm Euros they’ll do so, and thus has it been for two thousand years. If they’re in a position to harm Euros genocidally, they’ll do so as well. The Jews dealt the United States its death-blow with the 1965 It’s-Good-for-the-Jews Demographic-Death-to-Euroamerica Immigration-Holocaust-for-Euros bill and the Americans hadn’t passed anything like the Nuremberg Laws to provoke them. They just did it, planted the knife in Euroamerica’s back, because they could, and because they loathed the race, our race. That’s what any Euro society gets for trusting them: annihilation.
I don’t believe Fade wrote this. I remember it appearing, I think, on VNN about a year ago, but it was posted by somebody else.
As for Hoff, why does anyone take him seriously enough to bother with all of this discussion?
Fade wrote it.
We’re talking about 10,000 mostly Jewish pys ops soldiers here.
They were all over the camps liberated by the Allies torturing captured Germans, messing with documents and taking down preposterous eyewitness testimony from internees. They were also clerks at Nuremburg which, according to Louis Marschalko’s “The World Conquerors,” was a nasty Purim fest resembling Oscar night in Hollywood. Good luck trying to find out today the names of more than 20 “Ritchie Boys.”
From the Wiki entry:
The Ritchie Boys were a group of approximately 10,000[1] young, mostly Jewish, Germans ousted from their country of birth by the Nazi regime, who chose to join the United States Army and were trained at the Military Intelligence Training Center, also known as Camp Ritchie, in Maryland. They were especially trained in methods of psychological warfare. They were suitable for this kind of task because they knew the German language and mentality better than any American-born soldiers. The role of these soldiers was therefore to study the enemy, and demoralize him in order to achieve an unconditional surrender.
After the US declared war on Germany, the Ritchie Boys became a decisive weapon for the Allied powers. They entered Europe on D-Day on June 6, 1944 along with the other Allied troops. Shortly after reaching land they left their units and pursued their special tasks. They were able to feed the Allies valuable information. Moreover, the Ritchie Boys helped break German resistance by demoralizing them in both open and covert operations. They interrogated POWs and defectors to ascertain information about German force levels, troop movements, and the physical and psychological state of the Germans. By means of targeted disinformation via newspaper announcements, flyers, radio broadcasts, and sound trucks, the German population and military was prompted to cease their resistance against the Allied invasion.
After the war, many of the Ritchie Boys served as translators during the Nuremberg Trials. After that there were no veteran reunions or similar events, as World War II had only been a short period in the lives of most of the soldiers. Many of them had successful political, scientific, or business careers.
The Ritchie Boys included several prominent men such as Hans Habe, Klaus Mann, Stefan Heym, Hanus Burger, and David Robert Seymour.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritchie_Boys
Then there were “The Bergson Boys,” an Irgun cell of militant Zionists run out of a Washington D.C. office by a Jew named Hillel Kook (aka Peter Bergson). Their job was to lobby politicians and organized American Jewry and insert atrocity disinformation into the American media. Hollywood screenwriter Ben Becht was in this group manipulating the holocaust index in national magazines and in book-of-the-month club picks before the camps were even liberated. There is exactly one book available about them. http://www.amazon.com/Bergson-Origins-Contemporary-Zionist-Militancy/dp/0815630638
They cared about as much for non-Jewish refugees as contemporary Zionists do today.
From the Wiki entry for Hillel Kook:
In 1943, Kook established an “Emergency Committee for the Rescue of European Jewry”. The Committee, which included Jewish and non-Jewish American writers, public figures, and politicians, worked to disseminate information to the general public, and also lobbied the President and Congress to take immediate action to save the remnants of Europe’s Jews. United States immigration laws at the time limited immigration to only 2% of the number of each nationality present in the United States since the census of 1890, which limited Jews from Austria and Germany to 27,370 and from Poland to 6,542; even these quotas often went unfilled, due to United States State Department pressure on US consulates to place as many obstacles as possible in the path of refugees. The proposal to admit more refugees was ratified by the United States Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, and, in response to the pressure, President Roosevelt subsequently issued an administrative order for the establishment of a special national authority, the War Refugee Board (WRB) to deal with Jewish and non-Jewish war refugees.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillel_Kook
As soon as the Jews are in a position to harm Euros they’ll do so, and thus has it been for two thousand years. If they’re in a position to harm Euros genocidally, they’ll do so as well. The Jews dealt the United States its death-blow with the 1965 It’s-Good-for-the-Jews Demographic-Death-to-Euroamerica Immigration-Holocaust-for-Euros bill and the Americans hadn’t passed anything like the Nuremberg Laws to provoke them. They just did it, planted the knife in Euroamerica’s back, because they could, and because they loathed the race, our race. That’s what any Euro society gets for trusting them: annihilation.
Comment by Fred Scrooby — August 25, 2008 #
I am new at this, so I don’t know about the claim about annihilation. You stated that America hadn’t passed anything like the Nuremburg laws to provoke the Jews, but it is better said that Anglo-American civilization has been pro-Jew since at least the time of Oliver Cromwell in England. As far as I know, neither England, nor America nor any of the White English-speaking colonies of Britain has ever harmed the Jews in any significant way. Being excluded from a private institution not controlled by the government like Harvard does not count as persecution. In fact England’s last imperial act was to give Palestine to the Jews, and America has defended Israel since at least the mid-1960’s if not earlier. Jews are often allowed to hold very high positions in our society without question. What has Anglo-America ever done to them other than exist?
Actually, I seem to have answered my own doubt about annihilation.
It appears that more than a few people are obsessed with CvH … ditto for the guy who wrote the piece about “Big Von” — you must have had a lot of spare time to do that … probably on a day when your internets was down for a while …
Comment by Ronduck —
“Actually, I seem to have answered my own doubt about annihilation.”
The point about Cromwell is well taken and there are American racialists who consider the American Pilgrims a highly Judiazied sect of British Protestants. However, when the talk is about contemporary Anglo-American “annihilation” the context is cultural. Postmodernism is cultural poison and it’s Jewish. Zionism is also Jewish and it seems highly placed Jews throughout the British and American governments have been putting the interests and security of Israel ahead of those of the countries they are ostensibly serving. Dual citizenship for Jews in government is a double standard that should be examined more closely. We don’t appoint and elect dual citizens of other countries to sensitive posts and high office. The limits on Jewish membership in private clubs and entrance to elite universities was to prevent the take over of these institutions. When John Dewey and Felix Frankfurter lobbied to lift the quotas on Jews entering the Ivy League they opened the doors to the crisis in Western (Christian) cultural that ensued.